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I'm pretty sure he is one of the best dancers of all time.
That made me laugh.
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I'm pretty sure he is one of the best dancers of all time.
He looks super relaxed and proficient here.

By the way, this is the last recorded occurrence of Melania holding Don's hand.

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OMG the ratings would be the best. EVER. In the history of television. Believe me.
Unfortunately we'll never know. So sad.
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He looks super relaxed and proficient here.

By the way, this is the last recorded occurrence of Melania holding Don's hand.



at 0:10 "for an older person, he is very attractive"
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He looks super relaxed and proficient here.

By the way, this is the last recorded occurrence of Melania holding Don's hand.
Agreed. It's also the only occasion I remember seeing here genuinely smile in his presence (I'm not claiming to have a perfect memory, mind).
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Despite a number of blocking attempts by the White House, senior Trump administration members are giving evidence. A picture is emerging of a background foreign policy driven by Trump and some allies to discredit Trump's political opponents; not officially coordinated with the State Department or Congress.

It is not clear where the Dems are going with this! The GOP Senate has said they will not vote for impeachment.
Maybe, in the end, the Dems will publish the evidence collected, paint the GOP Senate as corrupt and unwilling to make an evidence-based decision, then ask voters to punish Trump in the polls?
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Despite a number of blocking attempts by the White House, senior Trump administration members are giving evidence. A picture is emerging of a background foreign policy driven by Trump and some allies to discredit Trump's political opponents; not officially coordinated with the State Department or Congress.

It is not clear where the Dems are going with this! The GOP Senate has said they will not vote for impeachment.
Maybe, in the end, the Dems will publish the evidence collected, paint the GOP Senate as corrupt and unwilling to make an evidence-based decision, then ask voters to punish Trump in the polls?
It could work a little bit. Die-hard Trump fans won't change and will only be further motivated. Voters on the fence might decide it's better to vote D...depending on who the Ds put up as a candidate.
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It could work a little bit. Die-hard Trump fans won't change and will only be further motivated. Voters on the fence might decide it's better to vote D...depending on who the Ds put up as a candidate.
Therein lies the caveat: A suitable candidate from the Ds. I doubt Biden, Warren or Sanders will be enough to beat Trump. Sad but true...
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It could work a little bit. Die-hard Trump fans won't change and will only be further motivated. Voters on the fence might decide it's better to vote D...depending on who the Ds put up as a candidate.
I don't think it is a great idea either but it is hard to see the Dem plan, suggestions welcomed!
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The GOP Senate has said they will not vote for impeachment.
Do you mean removal? Or for a trial to proceed, should Trump be impeached? The House, and only the House, votes on impeachment, and the Ds dont need any Rs there to carry a vote in favour of impeachment.

On a side note, in today's partisan political world (and yesterday's, and indeed since Washington was president) the whole impeachment process is pretty meaningless. There's virtually no chance of achieving a super majority in the Senate to obtain a conviction, as the Senate invariably splits along party lines, however clear the guilt of the accused. If the GOP won't vote with their conscience on a low-life like Trump, what hope is there for impeachment to mean anything like the vision of the authors of the Constitution?

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Do you mean removal? Or for a trial to proceed, should Trump be impeached? The House, and only the House, votes on impeachment, and the Ds dont need any Rs there to carry a vote in favour of impeachment.

On a side note, in today's partisan political world (and yesterday's, and indeed since Washington was president) the whole impeachment process is pretty meaningless. There's virtually no chance of achieving a super majority in the Senate to obtain a conviction, as the Senate invariably splits along party lines, however clear the guilt of the accused. If the GOP won't vote with their conscience on a low-life like Trump, what hope is there for impeachment to mean anything like the vision of the authors of the Constitution?
Very good point (but it depends on who holds the majority in the Senate). I would also raise the point (which will probably galvanize Trump supporters) that Pelosi's move- in an attempt to "seize the moment" - was unprecedented in that she refused to allow Congress to vote on the impeachment proceedings. Not good in my view as Trump will use this to rally those who support him.
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Very good point (but it depends on who holds the majority in the Senate). I would also raise the point (which will probably galvanize Trump supporters) that Pelosi's move- in an attempt to "seize the moment" - was unprecedented in that she refused to allow Congress to vote on the impeachment proceedings. Not good in my view as Trump will use this to rally those who support him.
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"Article 1, Section 2: The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment."
Nothing about "Congress to vote on the impeachment proceedings".

A dead Trump case revived.
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On Tuesday, the full 4th US Circuit Court of Appeals voted to rehear the case, with potentially 15 judges or more, on December 12 in Richmond, Virginia.
That is also almost unprecedented!
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What does Creepy Grandpa mean by the last three words of this tweet, yesterday? Has he finally come to his senses and decided to take the morally correct way?
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What does Creepy Grandpa mean by the last three words of this tweet, yesterday? Has he finally come to his senses and decided to take the morally correct way?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
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I sincerely doubt that Trump is capable of sarcasm, lowest form of wit though it is, as he is demonstrably witless.
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I sincerely doubt that Trump is capable of sarcasm, lowest form of wit though it is, as he is demonstrably witless.

His presidency is a pretty good practical joke though.
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Very good point (but it depends on who holds the majority in the Senate).
That's one hell of a majority -- to convict along party lines, a party would need 67 of the 100 Senate seats. A majority of that magnitude hasn't been seen since Congress under FDR.

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I would also raise the point (which will probably galvanize Trump supporters) that Pelosi's move- in an attempt to "seize the moment" - was unprecedented in that she refused to allow Congress to vote on the impeachment proceedings.
Congress doesn't need to vote to initiate impeachment proceedings, and Pelosi's action was not unprecedented. In the case of Bill Clinton, the House Committee on the Judiciary (i.e., not the full House) voted to initiate a congressional impeachment inquiry. Democrats currently hold 24 of the 41 seats on the Committee, so it's a no-brainer which way they would vote on an impeachment enquiry if urged to do so by their party's leadership.
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What does Creepy Grandpa mean by the last three words of this tweet, yesterday? Has he finally come to his senses and decided to take the morally correct way?
Freudian slip!
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House votes 354-60 to condemn Spanky's decision to withdraw troops from Syria, the cracks they are appearin'
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Two more of Guiliani associates arrested making four in total.
Seems the FBI counterintelligence unit is now investigating Guiliani. No doubt wondering why he got so much more Ukranian/Russian money than Hunter
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