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I don't think it is a great idea either but it is hard to see the Dem plan, suggestions welcomed!
What? Are you suggesting the Dems have a plan, let alone a strategy?
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Did I ever post that you could not make this stuff up
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The Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday evening that U.S. jets struck a base formerly used by the multination U.S.-led coalition against ISIS in an attempt to reduce its military capabilities after being forced to abandon it due to the movement of Turkish forces in the region.

Trump Administration officials told the newspaper that airstrikes carried out by U.S. F-15s earlier in the day were meant to “reduce the facility’s military usefulness.”

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Wow. We bombed our own base on purpose, because of the impulsive decision by @realDonaldTrump didn’t leave time to evacuate the right way.
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Spanky tweets photo of him being told off by Nancy Pelosi to prove *she* had a meltdown

"right I've got a gun and my foots here, what should I do? I know!

Look at the men on Spankys side, (at least of the table), look at the downcast looks, they all know he's a clown who doesn't belong there.
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Spanky tweets photo of him being told off by Nancy Pelosi to prove *she* had a meltdown

"right I've got a gun and my foots here, what should I do? I know!

Look at the men on Spankys side, (at least of the table), look at the downcast looks, they all know he's a clown who doesn't belong there.
Pelosi has made this photo her Twitter profile
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Very sad news: Elijah Cummings has died, aged just 68, prompting Trump to tweet the least sincere condolence message possible.

Cummings was the Chair of the House Oversight Committee, one of three committees investigating grounds to impeach Trump. In recent months, Trump has launched multiple Twitter attacks on Cummings and his district, many of them racially charged.
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Old 17.10.2019, 22:27
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So "quid pro quo" is a standard part of US foreign policy.

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Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney indicated Thursday that the Trump administration held up military aid to Ukraine in part because officials wanted Kyiv to investigate unproven election interference allegations linking the country to a Democratic National Committee (DNC) server.

When asked if what he described was a quid pro quo — withheld funding unless there was an investigation into the Democratic National Committee server — Mulvaney responded, "We do that all the time with foreign policy."
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So "quid pro quo" is a standard part of US foreign policy.



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I'm pretty sure it's a standard concept almost everywhere.

Just very few admitting it that openly.
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Old 17.10.2019, 23:23
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I'm pretty sure it's a standard concept almost everywhere.

Just very few admitting it that openly.
And unusual for the US to admit they were using this concept to pursue a vendetta against Trump's political opponents which considerably supports the current impeachment inquiry.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

At this point I guess it takes a bit more to make people turn up the volume on their TVs?

I can't imagine living in the US and having to wade through these news every single day.
Can't say I'm surprised that people have gone numb.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump has announced a ceasefire agreement with Turkey that hands over a large chunk of Syria along the Turkey border to Turkey. It requires the Kurds to withdraw from this area, with no mention of the Syrian army and Russian troops who are also in this area.

Meanwhile, Russia has said that a solution to the crisis in Syria must involve the transfer of control over the Turkish-Syrian border to Damascus, Syria.
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A friend of mine is at the Trump rally in Dallas, seems to be a lot of empty seats.
Expect it will fill up soon.

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So "quid pro quo" is a standard part of US foreign policy.



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my guess is that the press conference statements were intentional, and Team Trump is floating the confession to see how his base responds. basically, by having his Chief of Staff clearly confess now that Trump is a criminal, Trump is taking away the sting of the findings when the impeachment proceedings finally wrap up - his base will say, "all this is about Trump extorting the Ukrainians, but we already knew that weeks ago!"
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Trump solves the crisis in Syria. " Civilization has been saved " ! But not quite. The biggest danger-Trump himself-is still there.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

"I earned my spurs on the battle field, Donald Trump got his spurs by a letter from the doctor" - James Mattis

Ouch!

seems he's concluded he doesn't continue to serve his country by staying silent.

In other news Adm William McRaven who I've mentioned here before, penned an opinion piece for the NY Times titled "Our Republic Is Under Attack From the President,"
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my guess is that the press conference statements were intentional, and Team Trump is floating the confession to see how his base responds. basically, by having his Chief of Staff clearly confess now that Trump is a criminal, Trump is taking away the sting of the findings when the impeachment proceedings finally wrap up - his base will say, "all this is about Trump extorting the Ukrainians, but we already knew that weeks ago!"
Except now
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White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney said Thursday that the flow of security assistance to Ukraine was not conditioned on Kyiv investigating a theory related to 2016 election interference, walking back statements he made earlier in the day.

Mulvaney issued a statement Thursday afternoon accusing the media of “misconstruing” his earlier remarks to the press at the White House “to advance a biased and political witch hunt against President Trump.”
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In line with Trump's mantra "do not believe what you hear and see".

BTW, Mulvaney's "quid pro quo" statement is very clear and on TV! here!, how the White House can try to walk back such public stuff is incredible

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Energy Secretary Rick Perry, whose dealings with Ukraine have become a focus of the House impeachment inquiry into President Trump, will step down from his Cabinet post at the end of the year, Trump said Thursday.
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BTW, Mulvaney's "quid pro quo" statement is very clear and on TV! here!, how the White House can try to walk back such public stuff is incredible
I've come to deeply mistrust those kinds of clips where multiple, hopefully related, parts are composed into one.

Here's the full briefing. The topic starts at the linked time, skip to 40:20 to get to the actual questions. Turns out the clip you linked is a fair representation of what was actually said. However, it looks like that call had nothing to do with any of the Bidens.
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I've come to deeply mistrust those kinds of clips where multiple, hopefully related, parts are composed into one.

Here's the full briefing. The topic starts at the linked time, skip to 40:20 to get to the actual questions. Turns out the clip you linked is a fair representation of what was actually said. However, it looks like that call had nothing to do with any of the Bidens.
From what I can piece together, most of the discussions with Ukraine and the relation to the needed military aid were probably perfectly legitimate. For example, clean up your corruption, help us out on energy policy, and then we give you the funding. It was probably only Trump and Giuliani who wanted the corruption focus to be specifically on Biden and his son, everyone else just thought they were trying to encourage a more general issue.

The problem for the Dems is that they appear to be making this out to be a grand conspiracy, when in fact it probably only involved 2-3 people and everyone else thought they were just doing their jobs. Which, come to think of it, is the way that most criminal conspiracies work.

It also doesn't help the Dems that the US press has grossly misrepresented what Mulvanney actually said, which was bad and incredibly stupid but nowhere near as much a confession as we are being told.
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I've come to deeply mistrust those kinds of clips where multiple, hopefully related, parts are composed into one.

Here's the full briefing. The topic starts at the linked time, skip to 40:20 to get to the actual questions. Turns out the clip you linked is a fair representation of what was actually said. However, it looks like that call had nothing to do with any of the Bidens.
True, thanks for this link.
Yes, the call had nothing to do with the Bidens but he did say it was about the President using his power to investigate a 2016 matter involving a server belonging to his political opponent DNC. Which is asking them to dig up material that is politically beneficial to Trump so just as bad as asking them to investigate the Bidens.
BTW, the DOJ unusually issued a statement distancing themselves from Mulvaney "If the White House was withholding aid in regards to the cooperation of any investigation at the Department of Justice, that is news to us.".
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From what I can piece together, most of the discussions with Ukraine and the relation to the needed military aid were probably perfectly legitimate. For example, clean up your corruption, help us out on energy policy, and then we give you the funding. It was probably only Trump and Giuliani who wanted the corruption focus to be specifically on Biden and his son, everyone else just thought they were trying to encourage a more general issue.

The problem for the Dems is that they appear to be making this out to be a grand conspiracy, when in fact it probably only involved 2-3 people and everyone else thought they were just doing their jobs. Which, come to think of it, is the way that most criminal conspiracies work.

It also doesn't help the Dems that the US press has grossly misrepresented what Mulvanney actually said, which was bad and incredibly stupid but nowhere near as much a confession as we are being told.
"clean up your corruption, help us out on energy policy, and then we give you the funding." The elephant in this room is they did not do any of those things but still got the funding, so what did they promise to ensure the funding?

As mentioned, asking Ukraine to investigate the DNC server is no better than asking them to investigate the Bidens.
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True, thanks for this link.
Yes, the call had nothing to do with the Bidens but he did say it was about the President using his power to investigate a 2016 matter involving a server belonging to his political opponent DNC. Which is asking them to dig up material that is politically beneficial to Trump so just as bad as asking them to investigate the Bidens.
I'm pretty sure Trump/Reps don't mind that such digging may produce dirt on one of the frontrunner Dem candidates. However, to imply that this is the main reason is ... dubious.

The fact that Joe Biden was presented with a situation in 2014 that created a huge conflict of interest seems evident. Why don't CNN et al focus on that just as much as they do on what they claim to be Trump's abuse of power? It was swept under the rug then, and it is swept under the rug now. That doesn't make Trump's abuse, if there was one, any less worth damning but if the media were even marginally honest they'd focus on both.

Yet they don't. Hmmm, if only I knew why.

Plus, in early 2015 George Soros offered to invest $1 billion in Ukraine if, if memory serves, the US guaranteed to protect those investments. What makes a hugely intelligent and rich man such as him think such a guarantee, in a foreign country mind, is even in the realm of possibilites?
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