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Old 19.10.2019, 13:08
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I'm pretty sure Trump/Reps don't mind that such digging may produce dirt on one of the frontrunner Dem candidates. However, to imply that this is the main reason is ... dubious.

The fact that Joe Biden was presented with a situation in 2014 that created a huge conflict of interest seems evident. Why don't CNN et al focus on that just as much as they do on what they claim to be Trump's abuse of power? It was swept under the rug then, and it is swept under the rug now. That doesn't make Trump's abuse, if there was one, any less worth damning but if the media were even marginally honest they'd focus on both.

Yet they don't. Hmmm, if only I knew why.

Plus, in early 2015 George Soros offered to invest $1 billion in Ukraine if, if memory serves, the US guaranteed to protect those investments. What makes a hugely intelligent and rich man such as him think such a guarantee, in a foreign country mind, is even in the realm of possibilites?
No, it is not evident there was a huge conflict of interest?
There is not one shred of evidence that Hunter was under any investigation for corruption!

Or are you claiming that everybody who works for a company being investigated for corruption is de facto corrupt?

So everybody who works at firms involved in major corruption like Siemens, Daimler, Alcatel, Johnson & Johnson & Panalpina is corrupt?

I am surprised at you falling for this groundless conspiracy theory spread by Trump.

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A Ukrainian investigation of gas company Burisma is focused solely on activity that took place before Hunter Biden, son of former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, was hired to sit on its board, Ukraine’s anti-corruption investigation agency said.
Separately, a senior official at the General Prosecutor’s office said that neither of the Bidens had been called for questioning in relation to this investigation.
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Old 19.10.2019, 15:12
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So the famous Hillary email investigation has gone down like a lead balloon!
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Investigation of 33,000 Clinton email store ends, finding no 'deliberate mishandling'.

State department did find violations by 38 current and former department officials, some of whom may face disciplinary action; like a note in their file or some such.
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Standby for a Twitter storm.

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In a Washington Post op-ed published on Friday afternoon, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) called the decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria “a grave strategic mistake.”
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Former Ohio Gov. John Kasich said President Donald Trump should be impeached, a major switch for a former Republican presidential candidate who had previously said there was not enough evidence to impeach the President.

Kasich, who's a CNN senior political commentator, told CNN's Ana Cabrera Friday the "final straw" for him was White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney's Thursday admission that military aid was withheld from Ukraine in order to pressure that country for investigations into Democrats.
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No, it is not evident there was a huge conflict of interest?
There is not one shred of evidence that Hunter was under any investigation for corruption!

Or are you claiming that everybody who works for a company being investigated for corruption is de facto corrupt?

So everybody who works at firms involved in major corruption like Siemens, Daimler, Alcatel, Johnson & Johnson & Panalpina is corrupt?

I am surprised at you falling for this groundless conspiracy theory spread by Trump.
Stop putting words in my mouth. And while you're at it, maybe stop acting stupid. The conflict of interest is one from a US perspective. It arises from the situation as it presented itself, that's all it takes. If you want to call that corruption that's your call but stop claiming it's me. I do think it should be investigated though.

The US were trying to install a government of their liking in the Ukraine (and seem to have been successful, as Trump's phone call indicates). At the same time the VP's only son still alive got hired by the country's biggest private gas producer, which incidentally would have gained heavily from an increased US involvement (including military involvement) as Ukraine's gas fields (including the majority of Burisma's) are in the very area the rebels are strongest.

Of course that's pure coincidence
As is the fact that George Soros offered to invest up to one billion USD if he got what amounted to a guarantee by the west to protect them.

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Old 19.10.2019, 16:40
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Stop putting words in my mouth. And while you're at it, maybe stop acting stupid. The conflict of interest is one from a US perspective. It arises from the situation as it presented itself, that's all it takes. If you want to call that corruption that's your call but stop claiming it's me. I do think it should be investigated though.

The US were trying to install a government of their liking in the Ukraine (and seem to have been successful, as Trump's phone call indicates). At the same time the VP's only son still alive got hired by the country's biggest private gas producer, which incidentally would have gained heavily from an increased US involvement (including military involvement) as Ukraine's gas fields (including the majority of Burisma's) are in the very area the rebels are strongest.

Of course that's pure coincidence
As is the fact that George Soros offered to invest up to one billion USD if he got what amounted to a guarantee by the west to protect them.
None of that made a huge conflict of interest for Joe Biden.

Many decisions made by Trump and Obama administrations impact many companies both in the US and abroad; positively or negatively. Relatives of senior administration officials work in all sorts of companies; that is daily business.

You would need to demonstrate a much stronger case before it becomes a huge conflict of interest worth investigating. Even if the company that Hunter worked for had indirectly benefited from decisions of the Obama administration there is no evidence that Hunter himself would have benefited.

Trying to drag in the Right Wing's favourite bogeyman George Soros is just bizarre.
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None of that made a huge conflict of interest for Joe Biden.

Many decisions made by Trump and Obama administrations impact many companies both in the US and abroad; positively or negatively. Relatives of senior administration officials work in all sorts of companies; that is daily business.

You would need to demonstrate a much stronger case before it becomes a huge conflict of interest worth investigating. Even if the company that Hunter worked for had indirectly benefited from decisions of the Obama administration there is no evidence that Hunter himself would have benefited.
There's no need for Hunter to profit personally.

Further, so you're perfectly fine with the fact that Donald Jr. is now heading the various Trump companies?
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Old 19.10.2019, 19:53
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There's no need for Hunter to profit personally.

Further, so you're perfectly fine with the fact that Donald Jr. is now heading the various Trump companies?
A dramatic move of the goalposts, congratulations!

If Hunter did not profit personally then how come it was "a huge conflict of interest?", whose interests were conflicted and how?
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A dramatic move of the goalposts, congratulations!

If Hunter did not profit personally then how come it was "a huge conflict of interest?", whose interests were conflicted and how?
Which part of "conflict" do you have trouble understanding?
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Which part of "conflict" do you have trouble understanding?
If I understand you correctly you are claiming that Joe Biden's actions in Ukraine might have somehow maybe indirectly given this gas company access to gas fields held by rebels?
Ignoring for the moment the fact that they did not get better access to gas fields held by rebels then you claim maybe Hunter would have somehow benefited from the gas company having better access to gas fields held by rebels.

Then somehow this long list of "maybes" is a huge conflict of interest?
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Old 20.10.2019, 10:34
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Trump tweeted yesterday that he is dropping his dumb idea to hold the next G7 meeting in one of his own properties.
Yesterday over 50 tweets, mostly retweets moaning about his impending impeachment. I do not have the time or inclination to read them.
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Another day in paradise
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I am the only person who can fight for the safety of our troops & bring them home from the ridiculous & costly Endless Wars, and be scorned.
Democrats always liked that position, until I took it. Democrats always liked Walls, until I built them. Do you see what’s happening here?
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Seems their scripts are not aligned

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Seems their scripts are not aligned



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Out of the frying pan, into... well, another frying pan, at best.
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So "quid pro quo" is a standard part of US foreign policy.

Nothing wrong with that. Mi casa no es su casa.

Wish other countries could afford to follow this concept though.
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Old 21.10.2019, 15:31
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Trump's entry for the Nobel Optimism Prize

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After what he got caught doing, any pol who does not so vote cannot be honest....are you listening Dems?
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Trump's entry for the Nobel Optimism Prize
"... got caught doing..."

Schiff read out a parody summary of Trump's phone call. It is blindingly obvious to anyone with a brain cell that it was not an actual transcript of the call. It is equally clear that it was intended to take the piss. But Trump either has no sense of humour (or more likely, is incapable of wearing a joke on himself), or does not possess a single brain cell. What's worrying is that his brainless devotees simply lap up every word Trump says and buy the diversion from the real issue of Trump's criminality.
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Ever shrinking "talent" pool.
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The White House's personnel director has told President Donald Trump that neither immigration hardliner Ken Cuccinelli nor Customs and Border Protection chief Mark Morgan are eligible to succeed Kevin McAleenan as acting Homeland Security secretary, a senior administration official confirmed to CNN.

The Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel concluded that neither of the two men, who were said to be Trump's favorites to succeed McAleenan and filling acting posts at the Department of Homeland Security, are eligible to succeed McAleenan because they had not served at least 90 days under the last Senate-confirmed Homeland Security secretary, Kirstjen Nielsen.
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Gets interesting!
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McConnell told reporters;
“Under the impeachment rules of the Senate, we’ll take the matter up,” he said. “The chief justice will be in the chair. We will have to convene every day, six days out of seven, at 12:30 or 1 o’clock in the afternoon. Senators will not be allowed to speak, which will be good therapy for a number of them. And we intend to do our constitutional responsibility.”

The GOP leader told colleagues that any motions to dismiss the impeachment articles would be reserved for Trump’s defense team and the House Democratic impeachment managers.
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In another sign of the dangerous predicament facing President Donald Trump, his longtime ally Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said in an interview that aired Sunday night that he could not rule out the possibility of impeachment if new evidence emerges.

"Sure, I mean show me something that is a crime," Graham replied. "If you could show me that, you know, Trump actually was engaging in a quid pro quo outside the phone call, that would be very disturbing."
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Gets complicated!
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Iraq's military said Tuesday that U.S. troops that entered the country after withdrawing from Syria can't remain there.

“All U.S. forces that withdrew from Syria received approval to enter the Kurdistan Region so that they may be transported outside Iraq. There is no permission granted for these forces to stay inside Iraq,” the Iraqi military said in a statement, according to Reuters.

The statement contradicts the Defense Department's announcement that many of the almost 1,000 departing U.S. troops were slated to go to Iraq to fight ISIS and "help defend Iraq”.
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Even more complicated, when the US agreed on a ceasefire with Erdogan they also agreed to the Kurdish military leaving the "safe zone". The problem is the size of the "safe zone" is not agreed so the US is moving Kurds from a much smaller area than the Turks expect.
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Trump has described the impeachment enquiry as a "lynching", inviting criticism of him as a "violent white nationalist". Senator Lindsey Graham, whose state had 164 recorded lynchings, defended Trump's use of this highly emotive and divisive term, saying "This is a sham. This is a joke. So yeah this is a lynching, in every sense. This is un-American."



Some joke.
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Trump has described the impeachment enquiry as a "lynching", inviting criticism of him as a "violent white nationalist". Senator Lindsey Graham, whose state had 164 recorded lynchings, defended Trump's use of this highly emotive and divisive term, saying "This is a sham. This is a joke. So yeah this is a lynching, in every sense. This is un-American."



Some joke.
It's the addendum "In every sense" that is genuinely sickening from that toadying wretch.
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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) is planning to introduce a resolution condemning the House Democrats' impeachment inquiry process, and argued that any articles should be dismissed in the Senate without a trial.
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Might well backfire, if a number of GOP Senators do not vote for it then it will encourage the Dems.

Quote of the week on Sen. Lindsey Graham "Susan Rice, who served as national security adviser during the Obama administration, referred to Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) as a "piece of shit" "

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Meanwhile, form Spanky's favourite news channel "Fox News chief political anchor Bret Baier on Tuesday said President Trump’s attacks on the media are “a problem.” We're all trying to do our job"

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It is claimed, "William Taylor, the head of the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, informed House lawmakers he was told nearly $400 million in military aid was contingent on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky announcing investigations into former Vice President Joe Biden, his son Hunter Biden, the Burisma energy company and 2016 election interference."

Spanky is really in deep Gugu!

Edit: Worms turning??
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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Tuesday that he never had -- or at least doesn't recall having -- a conversation with President Donald Trump in which he described Trump's call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky as perfect.

McConnell's statement comes after Trump asserted earlier this month that McConnell deemed the White House transcript of the conversation, which is at the center of the House's impeachment inquiry into the President, completely innocent.
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