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Depends who you ask. Some say it's just to score political points, and in this case to try and sway voters not to vote for Trump in 2020. Others say it is the job of Congress to hold the President accountable for his actions. Nixon knew he was in deep shit and resigned rather than go through impeachment and removal from office.

When Clinton was impeached it was a similar scenario but with the houses flipped. Rs had a majority in the House and Ds had a majority in the Senate. The Rs could "safely" impeach Clinton to make a point, because the Ds wouldn't remove him from office.
I will be curious to see if and when the Dems actually bring the impeachment to a vote. given that they now are referencing the Mueller report, and the fact that many State Dept documents will only be turned over toward the end of the month, it is very possible that the Dems drag the proceedings well into the New Year - which may play to their benefit, given the non-stop barrage of bad news and bad developments for Trump.
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I will be curious to see if and when the Dems actually bring the impeachment to a vote. given that they now are referencing the Mueller report, and the fact that many State Dept documents will only be turned over toward the end of the month, it is very possible that the Dems drag the proceedings well into the New Year - which may play to their benefit, given the non-stop barrage of bad news and bad developments for Trump.
One theory is that they will time the Senate trial to conflict with the Democrat primaries so blocking Dem senators from being on the road and thus favouring non-Senator candidates like Biden.
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Under the terms spelled out in the U.S. Constitution, the House holds an impeachment inquiry and determines whether the President is impeached (i.e. convicted of a crime).
Sorry to be so late on this, I only just caught up with this thread.

The bolded bit is not quite correct. The House holds an inquiry and determines whether to impeach the President, yes, but impeaching the President does not convict him or her of a crime. Think of impeachment as equivalent to indictment, or being charged with a crime, as we non-Americans say; it's the act of formally accusing the President of a crime, and sending him to the Senate for trial. Only the Senate, in its vote as the "jury" in an impeached President's trial, can convict him/her of the crime for which s/he has been impeached and tried. The Senate votes "guilty" or "not guilty"; it's not a question of determining the degree of pre-assigned guilt.
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Why bother then.
I think because it's their duty to, they are sworn to uphold the constitution, just because the Reps in congress don't take that seriously is no reason for the dems to throw up their hands.

The most powerful argument I read in favour of the process regardless of the outcome was 'If impeachment is not warranted for trump, then for whom?'
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Old 02.11.2019, 12:59
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Yesterday Trump told reporters senior Homeland Security official Chad Wolf was acting DHS secretary already. “He’s right now acting and we’ll see what happens,” Trump said. “We have great people in there.“

DHS disputed that in a written statement several minutes later, saying that McAleenan is still in charge. “McAleenan is the acting secretary,” the spokesperson said in a statement to the press pool. “Wolf is the acting undersecretary for policy.“

Later, the White House clarified that Wolf will take over after McAleenan departs after Nov. 11.

Even that is not certain as technically Wolf is not qualified for the job, due a federal law that requires acting agency chiefs to have served under a Senate-confirmed secretary for 90 days. Or the law requires that Wolf has been confirmed in any capacity by the Senate.
Wolf has not been confirmed in his present position as undersecretary for policy.

A way to get around this would be for the Senate to confirm Wolf as undersecretary for policy before Nov 11., that is not an easy path; especially as there are only 5 Senate working days before Nov. 11.!

Trump's basic problem is that due to his frequent personnel changes and his preference to appoint as "acting" instead of getting Senate approval he has drastically shrunk the pool of suitable and qualified people for this role.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump getting booed at Madison Square Garden last night https://twitter.com/RTaub_/status/1190810659220574208

Meanwhile, Trump blocked by another judge; a federal judge in Oregon blocked the Trump administration Saturday afternoon from enacting a policy that would require new immigrants to demonstrate they have health care or are able to afford it.

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Former Secretary of Veterans Affairs David Shulkin blasts his time in the Trump administration in his new book “It Shouldn't Be This Hard to Serve Your Country,” NBC News reported. He accuses the administration of fostering a toxic culture and personal attacks that endangered care for veterans.

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Trump getting booed at Madison Square Garden last night https://twitter.com/RTaub_/status/1190810659220574208
What was he thinking of? no wonder he got booed, a UFC contest is basically liberal elite central, no, wait....
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Sorry to be so late on this, I only just caught up with this thread.

The bolded bit is not quite correct. The House holds an inquiry and determines whether to impeach the President, yes, but impeaching the President does not convict him or her of a crime. Think of impeachment as equivalent to indictment, or being charged with a crime, as we non-Americans say; it's the act of formally accusing the President of a crime, and sending him to the Senate for trial. Only the Senate, in its vote as the "jury" in an impeached President's trial, can convict him/her of the crime for which s/he has been impeached and tried. The Senate votes "guilty" or "not guilty"; it's not a question of determining the degree of pre-assigned guilt.
Very true. I think Bill Clinton was impeached but not actually removed from office. And so (unfortunately), Trump being impeached doesn't mean that he'll then be removed from office, especially since the majority of the Senate is Republican right now.
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Very true. I think Bill Clinton was impeached but not actually removed from office. And so (unfortunately), Trump being impeached doesn't mean that he'll then be removed from office, especially since the majority of the Senate is Republican right now.
Yes, there's not a snowflake's chance in Hell, or Buckley's as we say down under, that Trump will be removed from office by the Senate. But more to the point, he won't be convicted of any crime through this impeachment process. Easy enough to indict, near impossible to convict when such a large majority is required.

Mind you, there have been a fair few occasions on which one party has controlled more than two thirds of the Senate—but never (I think) with the President representing the opposition party
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^^^ I confess... I never really understood that term, "snowflake." Not when it's used to describe someone. I realize that it's intended to be a derogatory term, but could someone please enlighten me... What exactly is it about someone that would make them worthy of being deemed a "snowflake?"
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"Snowflake" when describing a person is typically a derogatory term - often labelling that person as "overly sensitive" to comments/issues. I believe this term came about on US college campuses a few years ago when out of the blue, books, politics etc... in the classroom were deemed too "offensive" to read or discuss as someone could be offended by reading the text or discussing the subject matter. Those who claimed to be "offended" were called "snowflakes" - in other words "too delicate".

This is why Jordan Peterson developed quite a following; he is an outspoken critic of the "snowflake" cause and a champion of free speech.
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^^^ I confess... I never really understood that term, "snowflake." Not when it's used to describe someone. I realize that it's intended to be a derogatory term, but could someone please enlighten me... What exactly is it about someone that would make them worthy of being deemed a "snowflake?"
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Interesting. I guess people who use that term aren't aware that a lack of empathy is the definition of a psychopath and that people who are sensitive are that way because of the way their brains are wired. It's not like they can just flip a switch and stop being sensitive.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...nsitive-people

I guess people who would have spoken out against the Holocaust in Germany in WWII probably would have been considered "snowflakes?"

Is a black person who doesn't want to be referred to as a "Ni**er" a snowflake?

Is someone who doesn't want refugee children to be ripped away from their parents a "snowflake?"

I guess I'm just a little confused.
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Interesting. I guess people who use that term aren't aware that a lack of empathy is the definition of a psychopath and that people who are sensitive are that way because of the way their brains are wired. It's not like they can just flip a switch and stop being sensitive.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...nsitive-people

I guess people who would have spoken out against the Holocaust in Germany in WWII probably would have been considered "snowflakes?"

Is a black person who doesn't want to be referred to as a "Ni**er" a snowflake?

Is someone who doesn't want refugee children to be ripped away from their parents a "snowflake?"

I guess I'm just a little confused.
Yes. That‘s pretty much the idea. But the originators of snowflake don‘t believe in that science stuff.

And it‘s also hypocritical in the sense that those who call people snowflakes because they are too politically correct, as it were, have their own sensitivities and are just as likely to melt on the sidewalk given the right amount of heat.

And, btw, political correctness in many situations is not much different than politeness.

(Proud to be a classic, politically correct snowflake)
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Interesting. I guess people who use that term aren't aware that a lack of empathy is the definition of a psychopath and that people who are sensitive are that way because of the way their brains are wired. It's not like they can just flip a switch and stop being sensitive.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...nsitive-people

I guess people who would have spoken out against the Holocaust in Germany in WWII probably would have been considered "snowflakes?"

Is a black person who doesn't want to be referred to as a "Ni**er" a snowflake?

Is someone who doesn't want refugee children to be ripped away from their parents a "snowflake?"

I guess I'm just a little confused.
A snowflake is more like an adult that handles emotions like a 3 year old.
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A snowflake is more like an adult that handles emotions like a 3 year old.
Generally 3 year olds are honest about their emotions.
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A snowflake is more like an adult that handles emotions like a 3 year old.
Like Trump, you mean? Throwing tantrums?
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Yes. That‘s pretty much the idea. But the originators of snowflake don‘t believe in that science stuff.

And it‘s also hypocritical in the sense that those who call people snowflakes because they are too politically correct, as it were, have their own sensitivities and are just as likely to melt on the sidewalk given the right amount of heat.

And, btw, political correctness in many situations is not much different than politeness.

(Proud to be a classic, politically correct snowflake)
"Snowflake" is just another way to attack the person instead of responding to their argument.
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