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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Edot, I was unable to quote you to reply directly to your comment (EF glitching again), but I often thought something very similar... that what some people call "political correctness," others just consider politeness or "common decency."

If it's due to "political correctness" that it's no longer considered okay to sexually harrass women in the workplace or call black people "ni**ers" in public or not hire them due to their skin color, etc., then I'm all for it.
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Well, I don't agree that great classical literature has been censured and removed from classrooms in the US because they are now deemed "offensive". I reference Mark Twain, Kurt Vonnegut, Harper Lee and Nabokov. To me, context, is the operative word here. Just how far do we take what one person may consider to be offensive?
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Interesting. I guess people who use that term aren't aware that a lack of empathy is the definition of a psychopath and that people who are sensitive are that way because of the way their brains are wired. It's not like they can just flip a switch and stop being sensitive.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...nsitive-people

I guess people who would have spoken out against the Holocaust in Germany in WWII probably would have been considered "snowflakes?"

Is a black person who doesn't want to be referred to as a "Ni**er" a snowflake?

Is someone who doesn't want refugee children to be ripped away from their parents a "snowflake?"

I guess I'm just a little confused.
Yes. Apparently some people should just put up with blatant or casual racism and move on, in order to prove they're more mature than 3 year old kids because someone, anyone could decide where their place is.

Yes, some want to be allowed to be jerks under the guise of free speech.
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Like Trump, you mean? Throwing tantrums?
Yes, kind of. Although Trump is more like a 13 year old
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Well, I don't agree that great classical literature has been censured and removed from classrooms in the US because they are now deemed "offensive". I reference Mark Twain, Kurt Vonnegut, Harper Lee and Nabokov. To me, context, is the operative word here. Just how far do we take what one person may consider offensive?

Ok, i looked up Nabokov, lee, Vonnegut - each of these have been controversial since publication, being banned and unbanned over and over. So I don‘t think it‘s consistent with political correctness. On the other hand, banning books is generally inappropriate.
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I think the districts that ban books need to get a grip. Mind you, didn't some towns also burn the Harry Potter books? Maybe they just need a crash course on what fiction is.
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I think the districts that ban books need to get a grip. Mind you, didn't some towns also burn the Harry Potter books? Maybe they just need a crash course on what fiction is.
Banning is not new. It‘s ongoing. It‘s crap, but it‘s not novel.
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High schools led by the PTA at those schools; their children or (they perhaps?) are offended that their children should read such "offensive" literature. Again context is the operative word here.

Have you not read about the "safe spaces" at US college campuses? Back in the day, wasn't university education about dialogue/debate and open discourse? What happened to freedom of speech and dialogue?
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Oh i know. Neither is book burning.

Novel... I see what you did there...
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Here is a good article referencing what is happening on US college campuses and free speech:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/adios-b...am-11572475729
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High schools led by the PTA at those schools; their children or (they perhaps?) are offended that their children should read such "offensive" literature. Again context is the operative word here.

Have you not read about the "safe spaces" at US college campuses? Back in the day, wasn't university education about dialogue/debate and open discourse? What happened to freedom of speech and dialogue?
So your point is that this is due to the creep of political correctness?

I don‘t subscribe to wsj, so I can‘t read the article.
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Old 03.11.2019, 20:58
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So your point is that this is due to the creep of political correctness?

I don‘t subscribe to wsj, so I can‘t read the article.
What else would create "safe spaces" on college campuses?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Adios, Bias Response Team
Michigan concedes that its speech police are legally indefensible.
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Oct. 30, 2019 6:48 pm ET

The Regents of the University of Michigan. PHOTO: THE REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN
Good news is hard to find on American campuses these days, so we’re even happier than usual to report a victory for free speech at the University of Michigan. The school administration has agreed under legal duress to disband its speech police and reform its student code.

The retreat came after a successful legal challenge last month to Michigan’s Bias Response Team by Speech First, a nonprofit focusing on campus speech. The university’s bureaucratic bias cops had the power to investigate students accused of speech deemed offensive merely by the “feelings” of those offended. Like most people these days, we’re offended by someone’s speech nearly every day.

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The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the Bias Response Team “acts by way of implicit threat of punishment and intimidation to quell speech.” The school tried to modify its definitions of bullying and harassment to head off a legal defeat, but the Sixth Circuit said the timing “raises suspicions that its cessation is not genuine” and remanded the case to a district court where the school settled Monday.

The university agreed never to revive its old definitions of bullying and harassment. Administrators had scrapped the Bias Response Team earlier this year and replaced it with a Campus Climate Support team that is intended to “support students, faculty or staff” but is “not a disciplinary body, cannot impose discipline,” and can’t compel students to meet with them.

Under the settlement, the university agreed never to reinstate the Bias Response Team, while the plaintiffs reserve “our right to challenge the Campus Climate Support staff, should that program turn out to be no different than the Bias Response Team in practice,” says Speech First president Nicki Neily.

The settlement should resonate far beyond Michigan because more than 200 schools have similar bias police. Those schools would be wise to drop these practices before they end up in court trying to defend their own indefensible violations of the First Amendment.

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As an alternative, read this:
https://www.vox.com/first-person/201...igger-warnings

I don‘t agree that it is degrading free speech.

You can respect free speech without creating a threatening environment.

By the way, I’m a big fan of political correctness or, as I like to call it, consideration.

Thanks for posting the WSJ article, but it was largely uninformative.
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https://www.vox.com/first-person/201...igger-warnings

I don‘t agree that it is degrading free speech.

You can respect free speech without creating a threatening environment.

By the way, I’m a big fan of political correctness or, as I like to call it, consideration.

Thanks for posting the WSJ article, but it was largely uninformative.
So let's agree to disagree . I don't think "safe spaces" help and as you know, I have a family member who can be more than triggered. I believe that one has to move forward and get the help they need to move forward and not blame society for being "static" for lack of a better term.

I believe one has to take responsibility for their life and their "triggers" and not make society adjust/conform to their triggers just because they feel aggrieved. After all, do employers really care if one is transgender, has PTSD etc?

I do not want my relative to succumb to victimhood mentality. They are the architect of their destiny/life but in the US at present, they are given a million reasons to claim powerlessness/victimhood. What a shame on all levels!
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So let's agree to disagree . I don't think "safe spaces" help and as you know, I have a family member who can be more than triggered. I believe that one has to move forward and get the help they need to move forward and not blame society for being "static" for lack of a better term.

I believe one has to take responsibility for their life and their "triggers" and not make society adjust/conform to their triggers just because they feel aggrieved. After all, do employers really care if one is transgender, has PTSD etc?

I do not want my relative to succumb to victimhood mentality. They are the architect of their destiny/life but in the US at present, they are given a million reasons to claim powerlessness/victimhood. What a shame on all levels!
Who‘s talking about blaming society. I‘m sorry, but you completely misinterpret my meaning. I don‘t think people are succumbing to victim mentality. And hell yes, employers, direct supervisors do have to be cognizant of employee needs. Employees are people, not robots. I directed a hospital department for 11 years. My job was to make sure the people I supervised had what they needed to do their job. And some people needed extra flexibility. And they did a great job, especially given that it was a crushingly dull data intensive task.

That was not creating victims, rather it was holding people responsible for the task at hand, while creating an environment that fosters completion of work.

The best supervisor I had gave me flexibility to work at my parents‘ when my mother was dying. And I did a great job too, albeit from a distance and at weird hours.

It‘s not a shame to respect individual needs. Never, ever


So we absolutely disagree, respectfully. Not much more for me to say.
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Who‘s talking about blaming society. I‘m sorry, but you completely misinterpret my meaning. I don‘t think people are succumbing to victim mentality. And hell yes, employers, direct supervisors do have to be cognizant of employee needs. Employees are people, not robots. I directed a hospital department for 11 years. My job was to make sure the people I supervised had what they needed to do their job. And some people needed extra flexibility. And they did a great job, especially given that it was a crushingly dull data intensive task.

That was not creating victims, rather it was holding people responsible for the task at hand, while creating an environment that fosters completion of work.

The best supervisor I had gave me flexibility to work at my parents‘ when my mother was dying. And I did a great job too, albeit from a distance and at weird hours.

It‘s not a shame to respect individual needs. Never, ever


So we absolutely disagree, respectfully. Not much more for me to say.
Nor I...I was referring to victimhood on college campuses and how that reverberates later in their professional life.
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Nor I...I was referring to victimhood on college campuses and how that reverberates later in their professional life.
Judging from the article I shared, I don‘t see much of that either. Or rather, I don‘t see an epidemic of victimhood.
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Judging from the article I shared, I don‘t see much of that either. Or rather, I don‘t see an epidemic of victimhood.
You need to reference more articles on safe spaces on US campuses. As the WSJ author referenced, there are roughly 200 universities/colleges which have "speech police"! Really?? Again... aren't universities back in the day about discussion, discourse and debate? Not so anymore in the US as too many are "triggered"! PC run amok in my view...
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You need to reference more articles on safe spaces on US campuses. As the WSJ author referenced, there are roughly 200 universities/colleges which have "speech police"! Really?? Again... aren't universities back in the day about discussion, discourse and debate? Not so anymore in the US as too many are "triggered"! PC run amok in my view...

Well that‘s your view. I can‘t agree. Good night.
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