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Remember this woman? She was fired for flipping the bird at Trump.
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Yesterday she was elected Loudoun county supervisor in Virginia, beating the Republican candidate.
Beating an eight year incumbent Republican, for eight years Suzanne Volpe was good enough for county supervisor, then along comes donnie. I'm reminded of the title of Rick Wilsons book, "Everything Trump Touches Dies".
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The story in the Amazon Washington Post, of course, picked up by Fake News CNN, saying “President Trump asked for AG Barr to host a news conference clearing him on Ukraine,” is totally untrue and just another FAKE NEWS story with anonymous sources that don’t exist....
6:08 AM · Nov 7, 2019
Does sound like Trump to ask AG Barr; might explain why Barr has been invisible for the last few weeks.

The DOJ already acted like Trump's private lawyers by claiming there was nothing illegal in the conversation transcript.

Meanwhile
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A Chinese official said Thursday that Beijing and Washington have agreed to reduce tariffs amid trade negotiations, according to multiple reports, clearing a potential obstacle to a deal.
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A strange world when we find China statements to be more credible than the US President!

For example, President Trump has announced that China has agreed to buy up to $50 billion in U.S. agricultural goods, but China has not confirmed the amount.
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Almost Friday
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Ambassador Bill Taylor, top US diplomat in Ukraine: Greenland purchase proposal 'took up a lot of energy'

Speaking to impeachment committees last month, he described difficulty in convening a meeting of top-level Cabinet officials with Trump to discuss the Ukraine assistance, which was put on hold over the summer.

Part of the issue was logistics, he said. But it also came as national security officials inside the White House were scrambling to contain Trump's Greenland idea.
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Spanky really is a sandwich short of a picnic
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Spanky really is a sandwich short of a picnic
Rather a few penguins short of an iceberg.
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The latest version of the GOP defense of Trump seems designed to have him impeached for incompetence

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"What I can tell you about the Trump policy toward Ukraine: It was incoherent, it depends on who you talk to, they seem to be incapable of forming a quid pro quo, so no I find the whole process to be a sham and I'm not going to legitimize it,"
Senate Judiciary Chairman Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, told reporters Wednesday.
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In September, Graham said evidence of a quid pro quo involving the president and Ukraine did "not exist."
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So, I was taught on here that an impeached president can carry on bein the president.
Can he also run again/be elected again?
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The Amazon Washington Post and three lowlife reporters, Matt Zapotosky, Josh Dawsey, and Carol Leonnig, wrote another Fake News story, without any sources (pure fiction), about Bill Barr & myself.
We both deny this story, which they knew before they wrote it.
A garbage newspaper!
There is no record of Barr denying this
Trump's alternative truth reality again.
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So, I was taught on here that an impeached president can carry on bein the president.
Can he also run again/be elected again?
If he's impeached but not removed from office - yes he can continue serving and run again. Clinton continued serving but was term-limited so could not run again.

If he's impeached and removed from office but NOT barred from holding office - yes, he can run again and be re-elected

If he's impeached, removed from office, and barred from holding office again - then nope.

Impeachment = House
Removal from office and barring from holding office again = Senate
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Old 07.11.2019, 20:43
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The Mafia godfather!
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Trump ordered to pay $2M in a settlement over Trump Foundation lawsuit alleging he used his charity’s funds for personal and political means.

Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Saliann Scarpulla ruled that more than $2.8 million raised by the Trump Foundation has been used for Trump’s campaign and staff rather than the charity itself,

The New York attorney general’s office also said that it had entered into stipulations with the Trump Foundation to resolve outstanding claims in the lawsuit.

“The Trump Foundation has shut down, funds that were illegally misused are being restored, the president will be subject to ongoing supervision by my office, and the Trump children had to undergo compulsory training to ensure this type of illegal activity never takes place again,”
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Peanuts compared to the Trump University settlement; Trump settled all three lawsuits in November 2016 for a total of $25 million.
$21 million to the participants in the class actions, $3 million to New Yorkers not covered by the class actions, and a penalty of up to $1 million assessed by the state of New York for running an unlicensed university.
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Peanuts compared to the Trump University settlement; Trump settled all three lawsuits in November 2016 for a total of $25 million.
$21 million to the participants in the class actions, $3 million to New Yorkers not covered by the class actions, and a penalty of up to $1 million assessed by the state of New York for running an unlicensed university.
Sorry Marton.. But since you referenced the Trump foundation and his indiscretion can we not also call out the Clinton foundation and how much they benefited from Hilary's position as Secretary of State? Both Hilary and Bill notwithsatnding Donald are crooks in my view.

What a sad state the US finds itself!
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If he's impeached but not removed from office - yes he can continue serving and run again. Clinton continued serving but was term-limited so could not run again.

If he's impeached and removed from office but NOT barred from holding office - yes, he can run again and be re-elected

If he's impeached, removed from office, and barred from holding office again - then nope.

Impeachment = House
Removal from office and barring from holding office again = Senate
Thank you.

Much ado about nothing then.
O rather he will brag for four years that he got impeached and reelected .... "first one ever" ... "I am the chosen one" .... "I'm wonderful for the USA" blablabla
I hope during his second term, the press (and marton ) will just ignore him.

I read "Removal from office and barring from holding office again = Santa" at first
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Sorry Marton.. But since you referenced the Trump foundation and his indiscretion can we not also call out the Clinton foundation and how much they benefited from Hilary's position as Secretary of State? Both Hilary and Bill notwithsatnding Donald are crooks in my view.

What a sad state the US finds itself!
There's a distinct difference, though. Trump's foundation was never charitable or to do any good works for anyone except Trump - it was simply another cash-raising machine for his campaign.

The Clinton Foundation of course benefitted from Bill being a former president and Hilary being SOS, just like any other former president's foundation. While there were some potentially dodgy things, the foundation hasn't been shut down (unlike Trump's) and actually does promote programs to improve lives around the world (unlike Trump's).

https://twitter.com/Marmel/status/1192534935690563584

That said, having a decent foundation that's less dodgy than Trump's foundation does not make the Clintons saints.
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Old 07.11.2019, 21:57
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There's a distinct difference, though. Trump's foundation was never charitable or to do any good works for anyone except Trump - it was simply another cash-raising machine for his campaign.

The Clinton Foundation of course benefitted from Bill being a former president and Hilary being SOS, just like any other former president's foundation. While there were some potentially dodgy things, the foundation hasn't been shut down (unlike Trump's) and actually does promote programs to improve lives around the world (unlike Trump's).

https://twitter.com/Marmel/status/1192534935690563584

That said, having a decent foundation that's less dodgy than Trump's foundation does not make the Clintons saints.
True, but I find it sort of sad that people pick up, believe and repeat Trump's conspiracy theories (Clinton Foundation, Bidens, &&&) when there is not a shred of evidence of any actual criminal activity. I suppose that is a major strength of Trump that he can brainwash people so easily and effectively.

Especially when he himself has to settle court cases in the millions due to his activities that are not so evidence-free!
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There's a distinct difference, though. Trump's foundation was never charitable or to do any good works for anyone except Trump - it was simply another cash-raising machine for his campaign.

The Clinton Foundation of course benefitted from Bill being a former president and Hilary being SOS, just like any other former president's foundation. While there were some potentially dodgy things, the foundation hasn't been shut down (unlike Trump's) and actually does promote programs to improve lives around the world (unlike Trump's).

https://twitter.com/Marmel/status/1192534935690563584

That said, having a decent foundation that's less dodgy than Trump's foundation does not make the Clintons saints.
Here you go:

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...ton-foundation
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

That is an "opinion" article and, like you, everybody has entitlement to an opinion but opinions are not facts.

The article is a year old and despite its forecasts of actions, nothing public has occurred since.

From the article; "The Clinton Foundation has been one of the most heavily scrutinized charitable organizations in the world, and subjected to outrageous, politically motivated allegations that have been proven false time and time again".

The article mentions John Huber, the special U.S attorney named two years ago to investigate all things Clinton. The Clinton email server part of the investigation was taken over by the DOJ who recently announced it was completed without any indictments planned.
The Clinton Foundation part seems to have faded away?

You should also bear in mind that none of the Clinton family take salaries or income from this Foundation so claims of crooked are hard to support.
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So, I was taught on here that an impeached president can carry on bein the president.
Can he also run again/be elected again?
Think of impeachment (voted on by the House of Representatives) as an indictment, or charge. Indicted/charged people are innocent until proven guilty. An impeached President (or Supreme Court Justice, etc.) is free to carry on presidenting (or judging, or whatever) until such time as s/he is found guilty...

... which is one of the possible outcomes of the trial (voted on by the Senate) of the impeached person. 3Wünsche has succinctly summarised the possible outcomes there.

So, in short, impeachment is no barrier to continued service and even re-election. Being found guilty could be.
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Think of impeachment (voted on by the House of Representatives) as an indictment, or charge. Indicted/charged people are innocent until proven guilty. An impeached President (or Supreme Court Justice, etc.) is free to carry on presidenting (or judging, or whatever) until such time as s/he is found guilty...

... which is one of the possible outcomes of the trial (voted on by the Senate) of the impeached person. 3Wünsche has succinctly summarised the possible outcomes there.

So, in short, impeachment is no barrier to continued service and even re-election. Being found guilty could be.
So put simple:
They will press charges, the senate becomes juror and judge (most of them laymen), the accused has no defense lawyer - as it's not really a court-case. If he is found guilty but not removed from office it will be a smack on the fingers, which Trump no doubt will turn to his advantage.
Not to mention that one may begin to wonder, if it is safe for a republican to turn agains Trump, specially if he will not be removed from office

Or we could also see it as the "Vertrauensfrage" (vote of confidence) the wrong way around, where the senate poses the question as well as gives the answer.

In any case what should go to court of justice is kind of an internal affair. That is not a reassuring situation. Some European newspapers are talking abuse of office and collaboration with the enemy (unless of course Russia is no longer the enemy, which officially it isn't).

I intentionally put it all simply.

One last question: If Trump is found guilty AND removed from office - will he then have to face court of justice?
Or will he just happily retire?
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....Wll he then has to face a court of justice?
Or will he just happily retire?
He will not be automatically indicted for anything if found guilty; it may be that the FBI or a private group decides something is serious enough to warrant an indictment.
Also, do not forget a number of cases are rumbling slowly through the courts.

Meanwhile, it is Friday and the writer (claims to be a senior Trump admin official) of an anonymous New York Times op-ed last year has written a new book.
I do not know if it is true but I could not resist this quote;
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Trump officials wake up “in a full-blown panic” due to Trump's tweets.

“It’s like showing up at the nursing home at daybreak to find your elderly uncle running pantsless across the courtyard and cursing loudly about the cafeteria food, as worried attendants tried to catch him,” the author writes.
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Edit; Trump will have a lawyer at the impeachment trial.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Thanks for your replies, marton.

How did you manage to quote a typo which is not in my post?
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