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Old 20.11.2019, 13:06
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Let me further dumb it down for you guys:

the only question under consideration is the removal of the individual from office
The impeachment process starts after a President commits a crime.
This is why I posted "it is illegal for a US President..." and that is the crime that started this impeachment process.
If no crime then no impeachment process.
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It isn't though, is it? The only thing in question was your lack of knowledge of what impeachment is, hence my replies to this from you...

I hope you've caught up with the rest of the wiki article and now know who does the impeaching - I've even bolded it to help you out.
Thanks for bolding out what I wrote
In other words, it cannot be a judiciary process if its handled by the legislature Basic, simple separation of power and obviously you are still uncomfortable with basic democracy concepts.
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Thanks for bolding out what I wrote
In other words, it cannot be a judiciary process if its handled by the legislature Basic, simple separation of power and obviously you are still uncomfortable with basic democracy concepts.
Who impeaches?
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Old 20.11.2019, 13:10
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Who impeaches?
Legislature. NOT a court of law. A court of law CAN try AFTER the political process is over and the only outcome of the political process is REMOVAL FROM POWER, not a sentence. We're finally progressing!
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Legislature. NOT a court of law. A court of law CAN try AFTER the political process is over and the only outcome of the political process is REMOVAL FROM POWER, not a sentence. We're finally progressing!
Who impeaches?
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Old 20.11.2019, 14:03
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Thanks for bolding out what I wrote
In other words, it cannot be a judiciary process if its handled by the legislature Basic, simple separation of power and obviously you are still uncomfortable with basic democracy concepts.
But, nobody ever claimed it was a judiciary process, not a political process.
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But, nobody ever claimed it was a judiciary process, not a political process.
Let me bring you back to:

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Impeachment is a POLITICAL process, not judiciary

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I don't think you know what impeachment is. Please go look it up and then come back to us once you know how it works.
There you have it.
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There you have it.
Right, so, simple question. Which body impeaches?
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Anatomy of impeachment.

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Who impeaches?
The House of Representatives. Article I, Section 2, Clause 5 U.S. Constitution

After a successful impeachment, which is like a grand jury hearing, the case goes to the Senate were a trial is held under presidency of the Chief of Justice. In case of a conviction by the Senate removal of office and even disbarring from holding any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States can happen. After removal from office the convicted party is given into the hands of the justice were it can be indictment, tried, judged, and punished according to the law.

In common language Impeachment does not only mean the vote by the House but also the following indictment, trial, conviction in and by the Senate, and actual removal from the office as well.

"You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if [the Senate] determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office." - Lindsey Graham - R-SC
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The House of Representatives. Article I, Section 2, Clause 5 U.S. Constitution
Thank you. That was the correct answer Gaburko.

You've just liked a post that proved you wrong. Genius.
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Old 20.11.2019, 14:55
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Thank you. That was the correct answer Gaburko.

You've just liked a post that proved you wrong. Genius.
Which is a legislative body which is what I've been trying to explain to you all along, but no worries, I can fix your mistakes again. In a nutshell, a POLITICAL process, not a judiciary one, which is, again, something I've been explaining to you all along. I'm glad you learned something today
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The House of Representatives. Article I, Section 2, Clause 5 U.S. Constitution

After a successful impeachment, which is like a grand jury hearing, the case goes to the Senate were a trial is held under presidency of the Chief of Justice.
Oh look, there's the judiciary branch involvement, gaburko.

The terminology is the same as in the traditional courts - determining whether a crime was committed (breaking a law), holding a trial, passing judgement - but the venue where it all happens is in Congress instead of a typical court.

Impeachment and removal from office are both a criminal and a political process.
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Old 20.11.2019, 15:01
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Impeachment and removal from office are both a criminal and a political process.
No, it is not a criminal process as the only possible outcome is removal or non-removal from office. That's where it stops. If there is a crime, a normal court has to try and possibly sentence only AFTER the impeached has been removed.
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No, it is not a criminal process as the only possible outcome is removal or non-removal from office. That's where it stops. If there is a crime, a normal court has to try and possibly sentence only AFTER the impeached has been removed.
But if you look at the flowchart I posted, it clearly says that the president has to be convicted by 67% of the Senate before removal from office.
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Which is a legislative body which is what I've been trying to explain to you all along, but no worries, I can fix your mistakes again. In a nutshell, a POLITICAL process, not a judiciary one, which is, again, something I've been explaining to you all along. I'm glad you learned something today
It would have been way easier for you to admit you just made a mistake writing both houses impeach. This has been dragged out longer than a James Cameron acceptance speech and has just left you looking foolish.

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C’mon you guys. Nobody else gives a shit about this off topic crap. Or who is ‘right’ and who is not.

Pardon my language, but really we are seeing too much of this crap on the EF these days.

Oh, and feel free to groan me, I must be an idiot.
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It would have been way easier for you to admit you just made a mistake writing both houses impeach.
I never said that, i understand you want to twist my words, but you need to do better. Obviously by now we agree that the only possible outcomes from impeachment are two: removed or not removed. Hence political. If he is to serve a sentence, a normal court has to pronounce him guilty as this cannot be done by the legislative branch. Glad i made the point clear
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Impeachment is a POLITICAL process, not judiciary It's not a matter of what's legal or not, it's a matter of whether the House and the Senate BOTH agree to impeach
Shush now, let the adults get back to the thread topic.
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Shush now, let the adults get back to the thread topic.
So glad you were able to evade your lack of knowledge that it's a political, not a judiciary process so gracefully. But we both know you learned something new today from someone younger than you Happy to help!
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