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Since we're on the topic, how many of you noticed that Modern Greek was added to the Russian high school curriculum just recently?

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Old 13.01.2017, 11:28
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To be honest, I think the US of the cold war era would have defended Europe even if all of Europe had been rabidly anti-US. If America had pulled all its troops and capabilities from this side of the Atlantic and allowed the Soviets to occupy that space, the geopolitical situation would be much worse for the US today.

See the Truman doctrine etc etc

I think the US acted largely out of its own interests. Any support or sympathy they recieved was a welcome collateral bonus, but not the objective.
I understand that, and it has been profitable.

Although I think the game has changed since then. Europe now has a generation of spineless politics that do not seem to understand what it has taken to get here. I think in some sense, it would have better not to shield them from certain realities of life. They've grown soft and vulnerable like teletubbies, and it would be cruel to try to sustain that forever.

At least I have seen the Kosovars express gratitude towards the US. I can't really say as much for western Europeans.
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You know that NATO has been engaged in aggressive posturing and the breaking of promises ever since the fall of the Soviet Union?

It has kept the peace in Western Europe for seventy years - of that there is no doubt - but let's not pretend for one minute that it hasn't broken plenty of eggs on its way to making that omelette of safety you seem to take for granted.
Aggressive posturing on both sides! I just know which side I prefer to be on. I know two wrongs don't make a right, but Putins Policy is not really about making friends, he has actively taken out journalists and political dissenters, rigged elections and changed laws to keep himself in power, and banked billions through fake businesses set up by friends (I would hazard a guess Trump is in there somewhere too), he has riled up nationalism and homophobia he even irradiated a Sushi bar in London. And this man has the power of a nuclear arsenal without anyone to control him. Murica on the other hand is not much better, but at least if I want to criticize its foreign policy, no one is going to disappear me, and it will take a lot of buying out for Trump to really own Congress.
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I just know which side I prefer to be on.
Do you get a choice?
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Old 13.01.2017, 11:38
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I am glad you are not my friend, because if there was a fight, I bet you'd be exiting the back door.
Are you 15?

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You do know, we never really left the cold war behind, its still going on, just encased in the guise of capitalism.
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I am talking about Russian involvement in getting Trump elected, its clear that those tactics are part of a greater and very sinister strategy.
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And this man has the power of a nuclear arsenal without anyone to control him. Murica on the other hand is not much better, but at least if I want to criticize its foreign policy, no one is going to disappear me, and it will take a lot of buying out for Trump to really own Congress.
Ah ha, that explains it. There you go:

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Out of curiousity, really for my understand of your perspective, what makes you believe you automatically deserve that kind of protection from Russia by the US, and what have you done for the US in return?
Personally nothing. But I am British a pro European Brit to boot and Britain has since WWII been an ally of the Americans, we are part of their WWIII game plan, we love them to bits don't you know?

America simply does not want to see the resurgence of power that Russia had at the height of the Soviet Union. But as this is about NATO not America, the point is mute. I feel like I am banging my head against a wall, do you not have work to do?
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Ah ha, that explains it. There you go:


No if I was talking about chem trails and geoengineering, the Illuminati or Area 51, then I would deserve the alu-hat gag. I am talking about very possible realities in the 21st century. We even have disclosure of this from various security agencies around the world. China is constantly hacking for military and industrial secrets, why wouldn't creating soft regime change be an equally good way to wage a war?
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why wouldn't creating soft regime change be an equally good way to wage a war?
It would certainly make a pleasant change from NATO's usual methods.
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Old 13.01.2017, 11:53
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Since we're on the topic, how many of you noticed that Modern Greek was added to the Russian high school curriculum just recently?

At least one bit of Orthodoxy is getting acceptance on this thread!
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Since we're on the topic, how many of you noticed that Modern Greek was added to the Russian high school curriculum just recently?

And how many of you saw thia story...

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US Congress broadcast interrupted by Russian channel RT
Viewers of an American public affairs network are treated to a mysterious change of programming for about 10 minutes.
http://news.sky.com/story/us-congres...el-rt-10726705

I bet that freaked a good few people out
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Old 13.01.2017, 12:06
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No if I was talking about chem trails and geoengineering, the Illuminati or Area 51, then I would deserve the alu-hat gag. I am talking about very possible realities in the 21st century. We even have disclosure of this from various security agencies around the world. China is constantly hacking for military and industrial secrets, why wouldn't creating soft regime change be an equally good way to wage a war?
I get the point you're making, you just have a rather hysterical way of making it. You are not going to get disappeared by Vlad, unless you are a misbehaving spy. He has also been in charge of a nuclear arsenal for the best part of 20 years, and shown himself perfectly capable of not using them. You have nothing to fear.

The only reason this sabre-rattling has come about is due to the totally unnecessary idiotic expansionist ambitions of the EU in Ukraine. They stepped on Putin's feet with absolutely nothing to back it up, left a country in a Civil war, and now wish to rectify that by forming an army of their own.
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Old 13.01.2017, 12:13
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Personally nothing. But I am British a pro European Brit to boot and Britain has since WWII been an ally of the Americans, we are part of their WWIII game plan, we love them to bits don't you know?

America simply does not want to see the resurgence of power that Russia had at the height of the Soviet Union. But as this is about NATO not America, the point is mute. I feel like I am banging my head against a wall, do you not have work to do?
Eh, the game has changed. The USSR was driven towards expansion by a leftist ideology of world domination. I don't really see an ideology behind Putin's Russia, so I'm not seeing a vehicle by which they can project Russian power. I don't think there are enough Russians in the world to station in every street corner, so from my perspective, Russia isn't really as much of a threat as made out to be.

At the moment, I'm more concerned about that EU ideology. It lacks a certainty rationality, as far as I'm concerned. There is a certain mindless obedience to it demonstrated by people like you that disturbs me. Fortunately, it doesn't have military legs to project itself, yet.

I don't really have a problem with Russia thriving as a country. I don't really think we need to try to contest Russia as we did in the Cold War, yet. I'd be happy to come to some detente and cooperation.

Trump gets this, ideologues do not. We'll see whether Trump can moderate the US hardliners. Like he said, "We might get along, we might not."
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Just going back to the dossier, I've read this Reuters article a few times now and seen it reported by other news agencies. If anything, the fact that this guy is behind the FIFA report that brought down Sepp Blatter, and the fact that the Trump dossier was initially commissioned by Republicans, lends weight to there being a degree of credibility to the report. Obviously, none of us know what that degree of credibility would or could be, so we can only speculate.

Let people ruminate on the credibility of the press, I'll be absolutely clear on the agencies I respect, being Reuters for news and Magnum for documentary photography.

Now...Trump can take a swipe at CNN every day of the week. I'd like to see him take on Reuters. This article doesn't contain any sensationalist crap, it's worth the read and worth thinking about.

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Steele was initially hired by FusionGPS, a Washington-based political research firm, to investigate Trump on behalf of unidentified Republicans who wanted to stop Trump's bid for the party's nomination.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa...-idUKKBN14W0HV

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Just going back to the dossier, I've read this Reuters article a few times now and seen it reported by other news agencies. If anything, the fact that this guy is behind the FIFA report that brought down Sepp Blatter, and the fact that the Trump dossier was initially commissioned by Republicans, lends weight to there being a degree of credibility to the report. Obviously, none of us know what that degree of credibility would or could be, so we can only speculate.
Apparently there is no smoke without fire...
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The Kosovars were irrelevant to the NATO action in Serbia. Totally, and utterly irrelevant.

Sure they were being massacred. There were some pretty nasty things done to Serbs in Kosovo too (massively under-reported in the British press at the time), but that's neither here nor there: the bombardment of Belgrade and Novi Sad had nothing to do with "humanitarian concerns".
And let's not forget what happened when Carla del Ponte decided to focus on organ trafficking by the Kosovars against the Serbian minority in Kosovo.

The Western Media had decided that the Serbians are the bad guys and the Kosovars are the good guys.
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https://www.facebook.com/bbcnewsnigh...3986001621200/

he says it well.
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And let's not forget what happened when Carla del Ponte decided to focus on organ trafficking by the Kosovars against the Serbian minority in Kosovo.

The Western Media had decided that the Serbians are the bad guys and the Kosovars are the good guys.
They probably didn't help themselves in that regard with Srebrenica et al.
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He says it well but don't understand why the Shakespeare reference. I have a slow day...

Is he the buffoon or what?
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The only reason this sabre-rattling has come about is due to the totally unnecessary idiotic expansionist ambitions of the EU in Ukraine. They stepped on Putin's feet with absolutely nothing to back it up, left a country in a Civil war, and now wish to rectify that by forming an army of their own.
Except this was the US' doing. EU didn't interfere with government-building in Ukraine.
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I get the point you're making, you just have a rather hysterical way of making it. You are not going to get disappeared by Vlad, unless you are a misbehaving spy. He has also been in charge of a nuclear arsenal for the best part of 20 years, and shown himself perfectly capable of not using them. You have nothing to fear.

The only reason this sabre-rattling has come about is due to the totally unnecessary idiotic expansionist ambitions of the EU in Ukraine. They stepped on Putin's feet with absolutely nothing to back it up, left a country in a Civil war, and now wish to rectify that by forming an army of their own.
Now it's all clear, you and Phos are Krembots! the EU did not want Ukraine, rather Ukraine wanted to join the EU so you are peddling Kremlin propaganda, I get it now

But didn't it all start when Vlad invaded the Crimea, because he was gutted that it wasn't part of Russia anymore and it was a very important strategic location for the Russian navy? Just saying.

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