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America kills enemy of America who was plotting to kill Americans.

A man who supported terrorism, was sanctioned by Switzerland for breaking UN resolutions, responsible for the deaths of many, and planning the deaths of many.



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Would you be defending Iran if they had assassinated Pompeo or Pence when they were on a foreign visit? I presume they are viewed as enemies of the Iranian regime, so all cool, right?
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Old 04.01.2020, 22:30
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No.

Through the cold-war (and the Atomic Bomb) the US became the hegemon of the world (and the Dollar became the lead currency of the world).

Anything or anybody that threatens this hegemony is fought. Bloodily at times.

As we've been with it for such a long time, nobody really has any idea what it's going to be when all that ends.
Sounds a bit like Hitler to me: "The Polish attacked".

I mentioned that before and I still wonder: Why do American presidents get away with killing people (no trial, no lawyer) of other nationalities who happen to be in yet a third country?!
It is plain murder!
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Would you be defending Iran if they had assassinated Pompeo or Pence when they were on a foreign visit? I presume they are viewed as enemies of the Iranian regime, so all cool, right?
That is not a good comparison.

Soleimani was an actor in that war (as well as pretty much any other war in the Middle East) and he was killed on enemy territory.

It's bit like Pompeo being killed on a visit to Yemen or Syria. Or Iraq.

Soleimani clearly thought that he was beyond reach. Also, Trump had shied back from a previous retaliatory attack on Iran a while ago (remember?) at the very last minute.

Iran was clearly "twisting the dragon's tail", so to speak.
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That is not a good comparison.

Soleimani was an actor in that war (as well as pretty much any other war in the Middle East) and he was killed on enemy territory.

It's bit like Pompeo being killed on a visit to Yemen or Syria. Or Iraq.

Soleimani clearly thought that he was beyond reach. Also, Trump had shied back from a previous retaliatory attack on Iran a while ago (remember?) at the very last minute.

Iran was clearly "twisting the dragon's tail", so to speak.
I think you've put the cart before the horse there if you feel Iran are doing the twisting in this instance.

Point remains, if Iran killed Pompeo in any of those countries, Donald would be hitting the big red button before he could even compose a tweet.

It is an act of war.

You can see how extraordinary it was by the extreme reticence of any other allied country, bar Israel, from saying it was appropriate. Even Arselicker-In-Chief BoJo has been notable by his silence.
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Sounds a bit like Hitler to me: "The Polish attacked".

I mentioned that before and I still wonder: Why do American presidents get away with killing people (no trial, no lawyer) of other nationalities who happen to be in yet a third country?!
It is plain murder!
Well, Russia does it, too and Putin still gets invited ;-)
And of course, there's Israel. They can be very creative in this area.

It had come out of fashion a bit, but clearly assassinations are on the rise again.
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I think you've put the cart before the horse there if you feel Iran are doing the twisting in this instance.

Point remains, if Iran killed Pompeo in any of those countries, Donald would be hitting the big red button before he could even compose a tweet.

It is an act of war.
Oh good, that should give someone give time to interfere.
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I think you've put the cart before the horse there if you feel Iran are doing the twisting in this instance.

Point remains, if Iran killed Pompeo in any of those countries, Donald would be hitting the big red button before he could even compose a tweet.

It is an act of war.

In the Middle East, it's really a question of "How far back in time do you want to go?" if you want to assign blame....
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In the Middle East, it's really a question of "How far back in time do you want to go?" if you want to assign blame....
Absolutely. Probably back to the US overthrow of the Shah and subsequent emergence of a hostile islamic state?
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Oh good, that should give someone give time to interfere.

It has been noted that before the strike, Trump's Twitter-account was unusually inactive for a while.

They probably "misplaced" his phone, just to be sure.
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Absolutely. Probably back to the US overthrow of the Shah and subsequent emergence of a hostile islamic state?
There's the British involvement, too and their role in the formation of the modern State of Israel...

With the "right" arguments, you can even blame Jesus himself ;-)
And don't forget the Romans!
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America kills enemy of America who was plotting to kill Americans.

A man who supported terrorism, was sanctioned by Switzerland for breaking UN resolutions, responsible for the deaths of many, and planning the deaths of many.



Cue more hand wringing, virtue signalling, self flagellation, Billie Ellish listeneing, wet eyed, anti American responses from the EF 'woke' brigade.
Why did a mod thank a post from such an obvious alt? My bet is Loz regretting his hissy fit.
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Old 04.01.2020, 23:04
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Absolutely. Probably back to the US overthrow of the Shah and subsequent emergence of a hostile islamic state?
Iran has already mentioned that.

It is not just the ME who have long memories; have a few drinks with any Irishman who will sooner or later bring up the battle of the Boyne (1690).
I used to work for a French company and when the locals drank too much I had to hear about the Battle of Agincourt (1415) where apparently the English unsportingly shot first!
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Iran has already mentioned that.

It is not just the ME who have long memories; have a few drinks with any Irishman who will sooner or later bring up the battle of the Boyne (1690).
I used to work for a French company and when the locals drank too much I had to hear about the Battle of Agincourt (1415) where apparently the English unsportingly shot first!
And then there is that goal in 1966 ..... God only knows what will happen between Germany and Great Britain once the limiting club-rules of EU membership will fall away. And Switzerland will stay well away from umpiring this time round.
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Nuke and pave is still the only viable answer.

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Nuke and pave is still the only viable answer.

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For which side?

The US is a rather large area to pave.
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It has been noted that before the strike, Trump's Twitter-account was unusually inactive for a while.

They probably "misplaced" his phone, just to be sure.
I heard they just closed the internet connection and cached the tweets, he would not notice.
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Iran has already mentioned that.

It is not just the ME who have long memories; have a few drinks with any Irishman who will sooner or later bring up the battle of the Boyne (1690).
I used to work for a French company and when the locals drank too much I had to hear about the Battle of Agincourt (1415) where apparently the English unsportingly shot first!
Jean: What happened Louis, you seem very upset. Is there anything wrong with your folks?
Louis: Nah, I'm just pissed at the bloody English and their dirty tricks!! Bastards.
Jean: How so? What happened?
Louis: It's the Battle of Agincourt when the sick bastards unsportingly shot first!
Jean: Uhmm but...but Louis, that was 600 years ago!!....
Louis: I know, but I just found out yesterday!

It's an old joke that I know but you can change the characters and the countries or events....it would still fit almost every nationality.
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A senior Iranian commander on Saturday threatened that some 35 US targets in the Middle East, as well as Tel Aviv, were within the reach of Tehran to avenge the killing of Gen. Qassem Soleimani.

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Let this serve as a WARNING that if Iran strikes any Americans, or American assets, we have targeted 52 Iranian sites (representing the 52 American hostages taken by Iran many years ago), some at a very high level & important to Iran & the Iranian culture, and those targets, and Iran itself, WILL BE HIT VERY FAST AND VERY HARD.
The USA wants no more threats!

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It looks like one of those "Who has the biggest one" competitions!

Apart from a couple of technical issues like "Deliberately attacking civilian locations, like cultural sites, is a War Crime" and is terrorism like ISIS there is also the fact that Trump, according to the US Constitution, requires Congressional approval before declaring war.

He might get away with claiming the killing of Gen. Qassem Soleimani was an emergency action to stop an attack so there was no time for Congressional approval (although he did manage to inform Lindsey Graham in advance) but this warning is clearly not an emergency.
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WW1 repeat scenario?

The immediate cause of World War I was the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria-Hungary.
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