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Terrorist get-together, they should have droned that as well!

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Old 06.01.2020, 15:22
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Looks like Javad Zarif and Trump will meet in Davos.
How about a man against man fight?

Well, there are still a few cool headed people in the government;
From the official Twitter-channel of «House Foreign Affairs Committee» :

<< This Media Post will serve as a reminder that war powers reside in the Congress under the United States Constitution. And that you should read the War Powers Act. And that you’re not a dictator. https://t.co/VTroMegWv0
— House Foreign Affairs Committee (@HouseForeign) January 5, 2020>>
So far it is not clearly stated by the US Govt. if Trump has officially accepted an invitation to the WEF in Davos.
I doubt he will take the risk of a trip to Europe at this time of heightened tensions with Iran. It would be good for the US and Iran to talk but in diplomatic terms, it would be a step down for him to talk to Javad Zarif, that should be Pompeo's job.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

If Trump comes to Davos, it will literally be a US-invasion with all the security they need to bring.


He really seems to like Davos and had to cancel at the last minute last year.
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Old 06.01.2020, 17:17
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Well the red necks have shitted up every war they started.And resulted in thousands dying. This is just another example. Nothing new! They should butt out of these things if they know whats good for them!
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Old 06.01.2020, 22:08
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Several newspapers claim the attached unsigned letter has been authenticated by the US military, basically, it says they are preparing to withdraw US troops from Iraq as requested by their government. No actual numbers of how many and when.

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It's probably a draft. Or President Salih has signaled that he will sign the law the parliament has approved and thus making the withdrawal a fact.

Trump could claim that he's brought the boys home ;-)
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Old 06.01.2020, 22:25
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Several newspapers claim the attached unsigned letter has been authenticated by the US military, basically, it says they are preparing to withdraw US troops from Iraq as requested by their government. No actual numbers of how many and when.

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It appears US troops in Iraq are being moved out of a base in the Green Zone and relocated to other bases across the country ( such as Taji base, & to Kuwait) after the Iraqi parliament voted to expel the American troops.
So far as I know Kuwait is not in Iraq?

It looks like the military wanted to obey the Iraq request but got some push back from Trump; consequently there is spin and confusion.
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Trump could claim that he's brought the boys home ;-)
And that's exactly what he'd try to make it look like, too... even though he first said that he wouldn't bring them home unless Iraq paid for the US's huge military base there.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

He probably dreams of a WW2-style Fifth-Avenue-parade like this:


That would be the icing on the cake ;-)
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

This entire presidency is just some kind of narcissistic fantasy for him. I think he thought he was going to look like a bad ass and that Iran would back down. While Obama was running for re-election, Trump said in a video that Obama was going to start a war with Iran in order to get re-elected. And look what's happening now.
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Old 06.01.2020, 23:01
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Tweet today from GOP Congressman for AZ’s 4th District
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Other Twitter users pointed out that the original photo depicts Obama meeting with then-Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in 2011 but photoshopped to add Rouhani instead.

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No one said this wasn’t photoshopped. No one said the president of Iran was dead. No one said Obama met with Rouhani in person.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

As i sit at the airport waiting to fly into the middle East it occurs to me, If the world is safer after the Soleimani murder, why are so many US cities beefing up security?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

One person’s freedom fighter is another person’s terrorist.

This seems the equivalent to Iran assassinating the US’s Chief of Staff.

Beware Mr. Trump you will reap what you sew. (This is not a threat, but a prediction.)
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Tweet today from GOP Congressman for AZ’s 4th District
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I despair.....
I am in perpetual despair... Tribal epistemology is the problem.

A discussion of it in the context of impeachment.

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the story behind the impeachment case is relatively simple: Congress approved military aid for Ukraine, but Trump withheld it as part of a sustained campaign to pressure Ukraine into launching an investigation of his political rival Joe Biden’s family. There’s a record of him doing it. There are multiple credible witnesses to the phone call and larger campaign. Several Trump allies and administration officials have admitted to it on camera. Trump himself admitted to it on the White House lawn.

It’s just very, very obvious that he did it. It’s very obvious he and his associates don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. And it’s very obvious there is something wrong with it. Holding US foreign policy hostage to personal political favors is straightforward abuse of power, precisely the sort of thing the Founders had in mind when they wrote impeachment into the Constitution.
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As Putin and other modern autocrats have realized, in the modern media environment — a chaotic Wild West where traditional gatekeepers are in decline — it is not necessary for a repressive regime to construct its own coherent account of events. There are no broadly respected, nonpartisan referees left to hold it to account for consistency or accuracy. All it needs, to get away with whatever it wants, is for the information environment to be so polluted that no one can figure out what’s true and what isn’t, or what’s really going on.

The recipe is always the same: attack independent media outlets as partisan enemies of the regime and, by proxy, enemies of the people. At the same time, use the media under state control, along with an army of bots, trolls, and shitposters, to inject accusations, lies, and conspiracy theories into the public dialogue.

In an information fog filled with vexed uncertainty, people will either tune out, revert to their tribal affiliations, or both. They will seek a strong leader who offers simple certainties and a clear account of who is to blame for the chaos. Confusion and fear, not deception, are the ultimate goal.

That is precisely the kind of machine the US conservative movement has built: one designed to produce confusion and fear. Trump is its natural leader, the first Republican president to reflect the party’s contemporary core and character, and his impeachment is its ultimate test.

Meanwhile, Democrats are attempting to do something that arguably nothing since the 9/11 attacks has done: unite Americans in a clear understanding of a threat and a clear will to action, in a way that reaches across conventional partisan lines, at least to some extent.

On their side, they have the products of America’s tattered remaining institutional processes and norms: clear evidence, painstakingly laid out in a Constitutionally prescribed process, communicated through mainstream news outlets. The facts are clearer than ever, but those institutions are weaker and social trust, which the right has been concertedly attacking for decades, is at a low ebb.

In opposition is a large but stable minority united by unquestioned loyalty to a tribal leader, dedicated to guerrilla information warfare unconstrained by conventional norms of accuracy or consistency, and motivated by an almost eschatological will to power.

If the latter triumphs, if it is able to muddy and distract enough to make impeachment just another Mueller, just more partisan white noise, we will cross a kind of rubicon. It will demonstrate that, to a first approximation, lol nothing matters.

Moral consensus will have become impossible. Epistemological consensus will have become impossible. It will show that no amount of evidence is capable of bridging the partisan gap. The epistemic crisis, and its attendant political crisis, will be fully upon us.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Well it Trump can hit Iran's cultural sites then Iran can also hit Americas cultural sites -like McDonalds restaurants or Trump house!
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Well it Trump can hit Iran's cultural sites then Iran can also hit Americas cultural sites -like McDonalds restaurants or Trump house!
Taking out all of America's cultural hotspots would be a quick endeavour.

Just leave Dollywood alone, retaliators; she's done nothing!
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Secretary of Defense Mark Esper on Monday contradicted President Donald Trump by asserting the US would not target Iranian cultural sites amid rising tensions after a US strike killed Iranian military commander Qasem Soleimani.

"We will follow the laws of armed conflict," Esper told CNN Monday.

When pressed if that meant not targeting Iranian cultural sites, Esper replied, "That's the laws of armed conflict.
Hopefully, there are enough shreds of decency left in the GOP to tear this indecent Presidency apart. More likely Esper will be the next through the WH revolving door, his chief of staff already resigned this week; the seventh senior Pentagon official to resign in recent weeks.
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"Anatomy of a Trump rally: 67 percent of claims are false or lacking evidence" Source
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We’re kicking off the new year with a line-by-line fact check of President Trump’s longest rally to date.

It was the Moby Dick of fact-checking assignments, a two-hour tornado of false and bewildering claims. Trump was in rare form. The rally was held Dec. 18, just as the House was voting to impeach him.

The president surpassed 15,400 false or misleading claims as of Dec. 10, according to our database tracking all of his suspect statements. But it’s worth drilling down on his rallies. They’ve gotten longer over time, and they’re a key part of Trump’s reelection bid, drawing supporters by the thousands.

We wanted to do the math and find out whether the president speaks more fictions or facts in front of his crowds. We focused only on statements of material fact at the December rally in Michigan, avoiding trivialities and opinions. We didn’t double-count statements when the president repeated himself.

According to our analysis, the truth took a beating once again. From a grand total of 179 factual statements we identified, 67 percent were false, mostly false or unsupported by evidence.

In September 2018, we found that 70 percent of Trump’s factual statements were false, misleading or lacking evidence, compared with 76 percent in July 2018. Both of those rallies took place in advance of the midterm elections, when the president cranked up the volume on (often false) immigration claims, which are a smaller part of his repertory this time around.
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He'll get voted back in based on all this fantasy then woe betide anyone who dares mention that the electorate perhaps didn't put their best brain cells to task to question any of it - "how dare you accuse Trump supporters of being stupid!!" they'll angrily bash out on their keyboards.

Happened with Brexit and BoJo, and it'll happen with 2020 Trump.
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He can say anything to his fans. These people would not even be able to say where Iran is on a world map. Their IQ is in the single digits

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