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Old 08.01.2020, 11:31
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Iím skeptical of what Iranian State TV says.
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I believe the plane has been shot down accidentally. It was on fire when it crashed and disappeared off radar at altitude. ......
Hmmmmmm
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Old 08.01.2020, 12:14
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So any planes that go down in flames have been shot down. Interesting theory.
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Hmmmmmm
Iíll await your apologies if (when) itís proven that this plane has been shot down.
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Old 08.01.2020, 12:23
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Iíll await your apologies if (when) itís proven that this plane has been shot down.
Nobody has actually said otherwise, have they? Seems to me that everyone else is waiting until there's some actual update rather than wild guesswork.

Guess away, you don't need anyone to apologise to you for being reluctant in joining you in your guesswork, do you?
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I’ll await your apologies if (when) it’s proven that this plane has been shot down.
People were questioning your reasoning, as you seemed to think a plane on fire most likely indicated being shot down.

Are you sticking with that theory?

Here's mine - the ballistic missiles aimed at US bases didn't accidentally hit a plane, as the chances of that are infinitesimal - way less than even Ticino Tom knowing a handful of 160+ IQ Trump supporters.
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Old 08.01.2020, 12:28
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The latest news is there were no casualties on the US bases.

It seems like a proportionate response. Iran claims they attacked the bases that launched the drones used in the killing, the people in the bases had enough time to get into their bunkers. Rocket attacks on US bases are a regular thing so they are used to them and know how to cope.

It looks more like a publicity thing than a serious attempt to kill people.
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Airbus was in a similar position a few times already albeit for slightly different reasons, if I recall correctly. Too much at stake to see any of these down.



Can you say exactly what you refer to as i cannot recollect Airbus being in a position at any time, similar to the position Boeing is in now.


Boeing are big and make a large contribution to the US economy believe it or not, if Boeing were to go under and whilst it is highly unlikely, it is not inconcieveable, this would hurt the US economy which would very much suit Iran.


The reason it is unlikely they did it, in my opinion, is when they do something or retaliate, they do like to broadcast their actions as much as possible.



With all the hype around Soleimani's assasination, for that is what it was, the Iranian leadership needs to be seen taking a hard line stance against the US which means publishing their revenge actions. Failing this, they will be worried it is all hot air and the public could turn against them.
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Old 08.01.2020, 12:59
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I'm hopeful that this perspective is accurate: "Iran's assault on US bases in Iraq might satisfy both sides". Iran's limited strike appears designed to give the US the opportunity to deescalate (back to proxy warfare). My speculative hypothesis is that Iran's top longterm priority is to get US troops removed from Iraq (which the Iraqi government has now requested). They didn't want to do anything that undermined their current advantage and momentum in that direction.

But, I'm happy about any rationale to deescalate from the brink.

Edit: They even warned Iraq about it beforehand: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ates-democrats
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The twitter account for the Iraqi prime minister Adel Abdul Mahdi has issued a statement saying that he received a verbal message from the Iranians shortly after midnight saying that their “response to the assassination of the martyr Qassem Soleimani had begun or would start shortly” and would be limited to US military stationed in Iraq. At the same time they were informed by the Americans that strikes had begun against US forces at various locations in Iraq.

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I'm hopeful that this perspective is accurate: "Iran's assault on US bases in Iraq might satisfy both sides". Iran's limited strike appears designed to give the US the opportunity to deescalate (back to proxy warfare). My speculative hypothesis is that Iran's top longterm priority is to get US troops removed from Iraq (which the Iraqi government has now requested). They didn't want to do anything that undermined their current advantage and momentum in that direction.

But, I'm happy about any rationale to deescalate from the brink.

Edit: They even warned Iraq about it beforehand: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ates-democrats
It's almost like the Iranians have gone through the motions just to humour Trump. Calling the Iraqis with "Look, we're going to chuck over a big show of missiles into the US compound. They know about it and we'll try not to make any more mess than necessary. It's just to shut that retarded orange gibbon up."
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Old 08.01.2020, 13:16
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It's almost like the Iranians have gone through the motions just to humour Trump. Calling the Iraqis with "Look, we're going to chuck over a big show of missiles into the US compound. They know about it and we'll try not to make any more mess than necessary. It's just to shut that retarded orange gibbon up."
Not sure then who gets accused of more posturing: Iranians or that gibbon.
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Not sure then who gets accused of more posturing: Iranians or that gibbon.
Does it matter?

It's only the escalation that matters and it seems to have been nipped in the bud by the Iranians.

For now.
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Old 08.01.2020, 13:22
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There was an engine failure on an older 737 of Southwest Flight 1380, in April 2018, when a fan blade broke off one of the engines.

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737 has two engines so usually after one failure, it can still fly?
It was very full. But what isn't known is baggage/cargo load. It could have been overloaded.
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Does it matter?

It's only the escalation that matters and it seems to have been nipped in the bud by the Iranians.

For now.
Glad peace-keeping gets understood so well.
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Glad peace-keeping gets understood so well.
To be fair, it was a tongue-in-cheek scenario. Perhaps I should have added a caveat in case anyone was gullible to think it was real.
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People were questioning your reasoning, as you seemed to think a plane on fire most likely indicated being shot down.

Are you sticking with that theory?

Here's mine - the ballistic missiles aimed at US bases didn't accidentally hit a plane, as the chances of that are infinitesimal - way less than even Ticino Tom knowing a handful of 160+ IQ Trump supporters.
Go ahead and question my reasoning, just no need to do it in a sarcastic and derogatory way.

I am sticking with my theory. I think that nervous Iranian defence forces shot that plane out the sky believing it to be immediate US reprisals for the ballistic missile strikes in Iraq. Three year old 737s tend not to fall out of the sky due to "engine failure".
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The President of the Kurdistan region (autonomous region in northern Iraq) asked for the coalition forces to remain (i.e., US, Brittish, & French) to fight ISIS. This puts the Kurdistan region at odds with Iraq's Prime Minister regarding US troops (& Iran's ultimate goal of displacing US troops). We'll see how this plays out.

Iraq's Prime Minister "rejected but did not condemn" Iran's attack, and confirmed that he was notified about it ahead of time.

It does appear like there is a wink-wink Iraq/Iran relationship between the two leaders. IMO, the Solemoni assassination is playing out as a strategic blunder on Trump's part by pushing Iraq into Iran's hands. But, at this point, at least, it doesn't seem to be escalating into a full-blown war.

That is unless Trump decides to force it. I wouldn't bet on that happening, but his erratic nature and irrationality means anything is a possibility.
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Go ahead and question my reasoning, just no need to do it in a sarcastic and derogatory way.

I am sticking with my theory. I think that nervous Iranian defence forces shot that plane out the sky believing it to be immediate US reprisals for the ballistic missile strikes in Iraq. Three year old 737s tend not to fall out of the sky due to "engine failure".
I didn't see any sarcasm in StirB's post.

Stick with whatever you wish just don't expect everyone to agree with you.
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Go ahead and question my reasoning, just no need to do it in a sarcastic and derogatory way.

I am sticking with my theory. I think that nervous Iranian defence forces shot that plane out the sky believing it to be immediate US reprisals for the ballistic missile strikes in Iraq. Three year old 737s tend not to fall out of the sky due to "engine failure".

It was 4 years old, still well in Iranian teritorry and was the plane shot down before or after the rockets were launched ?


PS Rockets are very small fry compared to ballisitc missiles
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If it does turn out that the Iranians downed this Ukranian plane by mistake then there is only one murderer-thats Trump and his mafia hit men !
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Old 08.01.2020, 15:48
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Iíll await your apologies if (when) itís proven that this plane has been shot down.
You misunderstood my post!

I posted that you stated you did not believe reports from Iranian State TV and then a couple of posts later you quoted their report that the plane was on fire.
An unusual lack of consistency by you.
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...737 has two engines so usually after one failure, it can still fly?
Depends. According to this, the crash was only a few minutes after take-off.

Aircraft do need sufficient speed and lift to keep flying. With a failure that soon after takeoff, one engine might not be enough to do the job to keep it in the air.
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