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You misunderstood my post!

I posted that you stated you did not believe reports from Iranian State TV and then a couple of posts later you quoted their report that the plane was on fire.
An unusual lack of consistency by you.
I understood your post perfectly, you however have read too much into mine.

My information does not come from Iranian State TV.
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I understood your post perfectly, you however have read too much into mine.

My information does not come from Iranian State TV.
Which then begs the question...
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People were questioning your reasoning, as you seemed to think a plane on fire most likely indicated being shot down.

Are you sticking with that theory?

Here's mine - the ballistic missiles aimed at US bases didn't accidentally hit a plane, as the chances of that are infinitesimal - way less than even Ticino Tom knowing a handful of 160+ IQ Trump supporters
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Go ahead and question my reasoning, just no need to do it in a sarcastic and derogatory way.

I am sticking with my theory. I think that nervous Iranian defence forces shot that plane out the sky believing it to be immediate US reprisals for the ballistic missile strikes in Iraq. Three year old 737s tend not to fall out of the sky due to "engine failure".
What was sarcastic or derogatory towards you there? The only person who had mild fun poked at them was Ticino Tom.
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Old 08.01.2020, 17:37
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I understood your post perfectly, you however have read too much into mine.

My information does not come from Iranian State TV.
You have an ouija board perhaps?
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Old 08.01.2020, 17:52
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Depends. According to this, the crash was only a few minutes after take-off.

Aircraft do need sufficient speed and lift to keep flying. With a failure that soon after takeoff, one engine might not be enough to do the job to keep it in the air.
3Wishes. The certification process that all passenger aircraft complete requires that an aircraft, at a minimum, must be able to at least maintain altitude should an engine fail. This clearly did not happen.

As with all similar accidents we should resist speculating (ya, me too), until more facts are known.
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Old 08.01.2020, 17:59
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Are we sure that it wasn't a 737 MAX?
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Old 08.01.2020, 19:10
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I just sat through Trump's speech. For him, it was subdued and rehearsed. Take a deep breath world; he's not starting a large war today!

He asked NATO to get involved, announced new sanctions (no specific details), lied about the previous Iran nuclear deal, provided no details on the imminent threat that apparently motivated the Soleimani assassination, no mention of the crashed airline (it's irrelevant to this conflict folks), and definitively stated that Iran will not get a nuclear weapon (not-so-veiled threat of future military action). Much of this is nonsense that won't come to pass, but I'm just happy he isn't pushing forward with immediate military action. It'll be interesting to see the details of the sanctions and if the US can get any allies on-board.

In practice, this venture gives Iran sympathy and political leverage in Iraq, which they'll try to use to get US troops out. I imagine they'll be more aggressive in non-direct efforts (e.g., cyberattacks, etc.) and non-responsive to negotiations. But as was always going to be the case when the Iran nuclear deal was abandoned - the real clash will come when Iran gets closer to developing a nuclear weapon.

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Are we sure that it wasn't a 737 MAX?
No, it was a 4 year old 737-800. It does not have the software that brought down the two 737 Maxs. The flight profile is completely different from those two incidents.
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Old 08.01.2020, 21:42
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I just sat through Trump's speech. For him, it was subdued and rehearsed. Take a deep breath world; he's not starting a large war today!

He asked NATO to get involved, announced new sanctions (no specific details), lied about the previous Iran nuclear deal, provided no details on the imminent threat that apparently motivated the Soleimani assassination, no mention of the crashed airline (it's irrelevant to this conflict folks), and definitively stated that Iran will not get a nuclear weapon (not-so-veiled threat of future military action). Much of this is nonsense that won't come to pass, but I'm just happy he isn't pushing forward with immediate military action. It'll be interesting to see the details of the sanctions and if the US can get any allies on-board.

In practice, this venture gives Iran sympathy and political leverage in Iraq, which they'll try to use to get US troops out. I imagine they'll be more aggressive in non-direct efforts (e.g., cyberattacks, etc.) and non-responsive to negotiations. But as was always going to be the case when the Iran nuclear deal was abandoned - the real clash will come when Iran gets closer to developing a nuclear weapon.
He also displayed his Obama obsession by spreading lies about his administration for most of his speech.
At least the draft dodger is not running into a new war.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Republican senator excoriates Trump administration officials over Iran briefing

Looks like the legally required congressional briefing to justify the assassination was a joke... even according to Republican Senators that were present.
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In an exchange with reporters at the Capitol on Wednesday, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) harshly criticized the administration’s classified national security briefing on Iran, calling it “probably the worst briefing I’ve seen at least on a military issue in the nine years I’ve served in the United States Senate.”

Lee said the message from the administration officials was that lawmakers need to be “good little boys and girls and run along and not debate this in public” — an instruction he described as “insane.”
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“It’s un-American, it’s unconstitutional, and it’s wrong.”
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Incredible amount of seething hatred for the POTUS on this thread.
Must be sticking in your throats that he already has the second term assured.
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Incredible amount of seething hatred for the POTUS on this thread.
Must be sticking in your throats that he already has the second term assured.
Always easier to brush it all off as "seething hatred", right? Do you actually see anything that defines "hatred" or are you just unable to counter any of the points questioning his reasoning and motives?
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Always easier to brush it all off as "seething hatred", right? Do you actually see anything that defines "hatred" or are you just unable to counter any of the points questioning his reasoning and motives?

I don't care for Trump, or what he does, or what he says, and I'm certainly not going to get dragged into this pointless discussion which turns into a mobbing.


Just be happy that he's not a war monger like all that have gone before him.


And is there any viable alternative to Trump coming out of the opposition?


(and that is the sound of silence)


I notice it's the same braying donkeys on this thread that are over on the Brexit thread, of which there are many similarities.
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Incredible amount of seething hatred for the POTUS on this thread.
Must be sticking in your throats that he already has the second term assured.
It'd be fairly hard to muster up hatred for a simpleton who is clearly suffering from some form of dementia.

The hatred is reserved for the policies and their effects, I think.
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Old 09.01.2020, 11:10
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Just be happy that he's not a war monger like all that have gone before him.
I guess you've not been following his actions or words too closely over the last few days then.
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I know several Trump fans who have IQs over 160.

Tom
At which level does it change from genius to insane?

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"dozens killed by Iran missile attack overnight on US base in Iraq" Iran State Television.

"all is well". Trump
Strange, the German news reported it was announced and there were no deaths.
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I don't care for Trump, or what he does, or what he says, and I'm certainly not going to get dragged into this pointless discussion which turns into a mobbing.


Just be happy that he's not a war monger like all that have gone before him.


And is there any viable alternative to Trump coming out of the opposition?


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I notice it's the same braying donkeys on this thread that are over on the Brexit thread, of which there are many similarities.
So the fact that he's managed, despite his best efforts, to not start a war and there's nobody yet in the running for the opposition makes him a viable candidate for the next POTUS?

Sorry to say but that's kind of lowered the bar by an embarrassing country mile.

Also, if you are going to chuck insults and accusations around perhaps you should look at yourself and basically all of your posts before delving into the subject of mobbing in others. You join the forum and all your posts are on the hot-button issues.
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And is there any viable alternative to Trump coming out of the opposition?
That's exactly the US' problem.
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I don't care for Trump, or what he does, or what he says, and I'm certainly not going to get dragged into this pointless discussion which turns into a mobbing.
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Yes, because you are such a sensible poster yourself. See below

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I notice it's the same braying donkeys on this thread that are over on the Brexit thread, of which there are many similarities.
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I guess you've not been following his actions or words too closely over the last few days then.
What? This is mobbing! How dare you?
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