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If he really is that bad, he'll be gone in the next election, surely? He's had a few years to show his true colours (thats colors to you).
What could go wrong with electing an ethnic nationalist? If he was elected they can't really be that bad...

From the vantage point of Switzerland: looks up (German election 1932) and looks down (Italian election of 1924).

Winning an election isn't a vindication of one's morality and an indication that someone will have a positive impact on their country / the world.
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You even quoted me old chap, "almost certainly" After all, if it all gets a bit much for them again, they might well go nuclear.
Trump, " when in doubt,nuke them!"
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

It depends on the definition of "winning".


But certainly not in the traditional sense - that ship has sailed a long time ago.


In any case, there aren't really any real "wars" going on anymore either.
These are more "armed conflicts", with (sometimes) multiple competing parties and blurry lines along friend and foe, and changing political goalposts through time.


If you believe that war is primarily a means of shuffling money into the defense-industry's pockets, you don't really need a victory for it to be successful...
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Winning an election isn't a vindication of one's morality and an indication that someone will have a positive impact on their country / the world.

Very well said, but you should be preaching to your fellow Americans who voted him in. Bleating on about it in a foreign country is simply pointless.


Perhaps start with the voter suppression issues?
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Old 09.01.2020, 18:28
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I suggest from now on the US fights it's war on it's own turf!
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As has been demonstrated by recent political events, people want quick fixes with minimal effort, maybe this has been further exacerbated by the online world of everything happening in an instant, who knows. People like Trump know how to manipulate this feeling - "It's all down to Mexicans, let's build a wall!" "Climate change was invented by the Chinese. It's a lie that will make you lose your job and you'll have to pay for it!" That kind of thing.

Anyone advocating critical thought is shouted down.
Not sure about that. I think that people want their problems addressed, being taken serious, want solutions and actions instead of only talking.

Of course the wall and climate change denial are absurd but climate change and immigration are two topics that people are concerned about. However, in both cases, not much seem to happen except from symbolic measures and meetings.

For example, instead of making cars 1% cleaner in Western Europe, wouldn't it be better to invest the money in replacing polluting, old energy plants in some poor country somewhere in the world?
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I suggest from now on the US fights it's war on it's own turf!

Already does.
Hence the "Department of Homeland Security".


I once saw a documentary about Native Americans and one of them wore a t-shirt that said "Securing the Homeland since 1492" or something in that sense (he worked in the security-force of the reservation, IIRC).
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Not sure about that. I think that people want their problems addressed, being taken serious, want solutions and actions instead of only talking.
Do any of Trump's wild ideas he pumps out at his rallies actually get off the ground, though?

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Of course the wall and climate change denial are absurd but climate change and immigration are two topics that people are concerned about. However, in both cases, not much seem to happen except from symbolic measures and meetings.
Yes, but apart from his imaginary wall and his ill-fated travel ban he's not come up with a viable solution.

He's sacked off the Paris Accord for the climate, but all for what? What has it brought?

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For example, instead of making cars 1% cleaner in Western Europe, wouldn't it be better to invest the money in replacing polluting, old energy plants in some poor country somewhere in the world?
Isn't that dangerously close to looking at more complex solutions? That kind of talk where there is analysis, forward thinking and sensible investment gets railed against.
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Do any of Trump's wild ideas he pumps out at his rallies actually get off the ground, though?
Thanks God no

But not only Trump doesn't solve issues. Nobody does. Everybody is staring at complex issues for which any solution is painful.
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Very well said, but you should be preaching to your fellow Americans who voted him in. Bleating on about it in a foreign country is simply pointless.
Believe me, I do. But I have no idea where the people on this forum are from. And when it comes to the most consequential countries in the world (US, China, India, Russia, Germany, etc.) I believe discussing and clarifying the record is valuable, it's not pointless. We're all on this rock together.

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Perhaps start with the voter suppression issues?
That is a good place to start. I have a long list of reforms I vocally advocate for and donate/vote for candidates that support them. They include:
  1. End gerrymandering: stops politicians from drawing their own districts.
  2. Eliminate the electoral college: currently, only 5-8 swing states actually matter in electing the president - a 20% opinion shift in Montana or California has no impact.
  3. Rank choice voting or runoff: takes power away from the 2-party system, makes our government more responsive to changes in the public.
  4. Proportional representation in congress: devalues the 2-party system, the government better represents public opinion.
  5. Voting rights reform: e.g., automatic registration, nationwide mail ballot voting, accessible polling booths, end felon disenfranchisement, etc.
  6. Campaign finance reform: takes money out of politics.
  7. Ban lobbyists from executive branch positions: remove the mosts blatant form of corporatism.
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Old 09.01.2020, 18:52
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Trump, " when in doubt,nuke them!"
Only Democrat presidents have used nukes, or even come close.

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You could be right! If so Trump murdered all these people!
Of course I’m right, it was clear almost from the moment it was reported that the plane had been shot down! Although how you can blame President Trump for these deaths is rather confusing.
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Believe me, I do. But I have no idea where the people on this forum are from. And when it comes to the most consequential countries in the world (US, China, India, Russia, Germany, etc.) I believe discussing and clarifying the record is valuable, it's not pointless. We're all on this rock together.



That is a good place to start. I have a long list of reforms I vocally advocate for and donate/vote for candidates that support them. They include:
  1. End gerrymandering: stops politicians from drawing their own districts.
  2. Eliminate the electoral college: currently, only 5-8 swing states actually matter in electing the president - a 20% opinion shift in Montana or California has no impact.
  3. Rank choice voting or runoff: takes power away from the 2-party system, makes our government more responsive to changes in the public.
  4. Proportional representation in congress: devalues the 2-party system, the government better represents public opinion.
  5. Voting rights reform: e.g., automatic registration, nationwide mail ballot voting, accessible polling booths, end felon disenfranchisement, etc.
  6. Campaign finance reform: takes money out of politics.
  7. Ban lobbyists from executive branch positions: remove the mosts blatant form of corporatism.
I think some of the Senate and House rules need modernising as well. Power of the majority leader, filibuster, etc.
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Of course I’m right, it was clear almost from the moment it was reported that the plane had been shot down! Although how you can blame President Trump for these deaths is rather confusing.
it's now even on 20 Min
https://www.20min.ch/ausland/news/st...an-ab-15924988
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20 minutes has no reporters. They just regurgitate what others have reported.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

"Iran mistakenly shot down Ukraine jet - US media"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51055219

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U.S. Cancer Death Rate Lowest In Recorded History!
A lot of good news coming out of this Administration.
4:00 PM · Jan 9, 2020
True but the report today was about before Trump came into office.
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The cancer death rate fell continuously from 1991 through 2017, resulting in an overall decline of 29% that translates into an estimated 2.9 million fewer cancer deaths than would have occurred if peak rates had persisted.
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Of course I’m right, it was clear almost from the moment it was reported that the plane had been shot down! Although how you can blame President Trump for these deaths is rather confusing.
Russian bot has the inside track!
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20 minutes has no reporters. They just regurgitate what others have reported.
So?
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20 minutes has no reporters. They just regurgitate what others have reported.


That is not completely correct.

They have Ms Ann Guenter (see https://www.20min.ch/impressum/), their Middle East reporter who actually does quite good reporting IMO.

She often seems to be "out in the field", rather than "reporting" from a studio as you can see so often.
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