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If one flounces international law...
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Dear oh dear, busy morning for us pedants this today. Must be Friday.
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There's no point in arguing, the logic used here is bonkers. It would mean the US are also "partially" responsible for the Lockerbie bombing, or that Iran is also "partially" responsible for Iran Air Flight 655 being shot down. Totally crazy!

You could go back even further, don´t forget what the British and the yankees did to the Iranians, because the Iranians havn´t forgotten, not one teeny-tiny little bit.
Read up on the Anglo-Persian oil company, now known as BP and how with some very wet and messy help of the CIA they disposed of the Persian prime minister Mossadegh by means of a coup after which the Shah, again with help from the CIA and indeed Mossad, unleashed SAVAK and a regime of terror on the Iranians which then lead to the Ayatollah Komeini.
The Iranians and indeed the entire Moslem world have no reason to trust "the West" in any way or form, so yes in my opinion the US, the UK and the Jews are directly responsible for the wretched mess the middle east is in today.
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Was thinking that myself.
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....which sort of English is that?
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The Iranians and indeed the entire Moslem world have no reason to trust "the West" in any way or form, so yes in my opinion the US, the UK and the Jews are directly responsible for the wretched mess the middle east is in today.
I'm sure you didn't intend this. But I don't think I'm being pedantic when I ask you to please, do not refer to Israel as "the Jews." It's inaccurate in that there are Jews all over the world and it confounds actions of a state with that of the ethnicity. It's not unlike Trump and his ilk super-imposing the actions of Al Qaeda or ISIS on all Muslims. Especially now, where the largest group advocating their support for the state of Israel are not Jewish, but Evangelical Christians living in the US (in some ways they are both anti-Semitic and zionist).

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On your other point, I agree that the US, Russia, Saudia Arabia (+ other monarchs), Iran, and recently Israel all have some blame to go around. But IMO, the most important and regionally defining feature of the last 40 years of the middle east is the Saudia Arabia vs. Iran cold war. Every proxy war can be seen through this lens. Also, the Sunni/Shia rivalry really wasn't that violent until you had these wealthy two interest groups funding extremists on either side.
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So you are saying that if you are suspected of breaking a law you automatically lose all protections you have under those laws.
No, what I am saying is that General Soleimani got what he deserved. He ignored international law habitually, just like the Iranian regime. International law only works when it is followed, selective adherence to it does not work, nor should it.

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The Iranians and indeed the entire Moslem world have no reason to trust "the West" in any way or form, so yes in my opinion the US, the UK and the Jews are directly responsible for the wretched mess the middle east is in today.
You're too smart not to know that an American Jew (for instance) is an American like every American and not an Israeli? Seriously, please refrain from pointing a finger to an ethnicity and not a state/country, if that was indeed what you had in mind.

It's disturbing for people whose countries had a direct contribution to the Holocaust.
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Oh dear oh dear
Good that he didn't make a joke about a tennis player...
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Good that he didn't make a joke about a tennis player...
I found that "joke" old and in terribly bad taste tbh. And not even "realistic" (are any racist jokes...), men are way stronger than women - physically/endurance, yes, even a relatively mediocre 100 top male tennis player would beat Serena even though she looks like she could use a diet now...

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Good that he didn't make a joke about a tennis player...
Can you give me a list of ethnicities and professions that are fine to racially abuse please? Hard to keep up without one. So far:

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Black Female tennis players

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You're too smart not to know that an American Jew (for instance) is an American like every American and not an Israeli? Seriously, please refrain from pointing a finger to an ethnicity and not a state/country, if that was indeed what you had in mind.

It's disturbing for people whose countries had a direct contribution to the Holocaust.
I agree but I think the point he made is valid, despite the incorrect terminology. We shouldn't allow the choice of word to invalidate his otherwise good point.
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I agree but I think the point he made is valid, despite the incorrect terminology. We shouldn't allow the choice of word to invalidate his otherwise good point.
The devil is the details...
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....which sort of English is that?


the kind they use in the bally colonies!
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No, what I am saying is that General Soleimani got what he deserved. He ignored international law habitually, just like the Iranian regime. International law only works when it is followed, selective adherence to it does not work, nor should it.

Very probably he was a bad 'un and deserved a comeuppance, but the point several people are making is that 'him bad guy' does (should) not trump due process. Now that we can't trust western 'democracies' to follow the law and people like yourself are applauding that because the target of the injustice was a bad guy then we truly are fecked.
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No, what I am saying is that General Soleimani got what he deserved. He ignored international law habitually, just like the Iranian regime. International law only works when it is followed, selective adherence to it does not work, nor should it.
I must have been on holidays when murdering culprits long distance was taken into international law.
My bad, obviously.
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Very probably he was a bad 'un and deserved a comeuppance, but the point several people are making is that 'him bad guy' does (should) not trump due process. Now that we can't trust western 'democracies' to follow the law and people like yourself are applauding that because the target of the injustice was a bad guy then we truly are fecked.
Indeed. I think a lot of people would consider his Tonyship and Dubya to be war criminals, but if Iran or anyone else were to have them assassinated, then it would be an outrage.
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I was going to write the same thing but ran out of time before lunch. This general was not some random rogue terrorist group leader, he was Iran's top military leader and a revered national asset. When they took him out they officially committed an attack against Iran, and if Iran were a bigger and stronger country there would now be a war.

The USA took him out because they knew Iran can't do anything significant in return... real bully boy tactics. Can you imagine if Iran did the same to a top USA general they perceived as a terrorist? It would be absolute carnage.
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