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Old 11.01.2020, 13:52
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I guess the chain of command between those who were responsible for the missile defense system near Iran International Airport and the political leadership was not fully intact. Such things can happen when military leaders are assassinated and during the resulting hightend tensions. In an information vacuum, all sorts of theories are expounded.

If the Iranian leadership follow the example of that of the US leadership in the case of the USS Vincennes shooting down of Iran Air Flight 655, they will be seeking out the person responsible for accidental missile launch to award him a medal.



At what stage does God interpose himself in the selection of political leaders and which side is he on in the US v. Iran confrontation ?
Good question as the majority religions in both countries worship the same God.
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I guess the chain of command between those who were responsible for the missile defense system near Iran International Airport and the political leadership was not fully intact. Such things can happen when military leaders are assassinated and during the resulting hightend tensions. In an information vacuum, all sorts of theories are expounded.
Absolute bollox.


The Iranians were incompetent. They should have closed the airport while the missile systems were online.
There's also quite a flight pattern difference between a slow airliner climbing out from thier own airport, and an F-35 streaking in at top speed on a bombing run.


As I said in an ealier post, there's a lot of people with a lot of hatred of POTUS / Americans in general.

POTUS could deliver world peace, and you'd all be bleating 'But at what cost??!!¨'
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Old 11.01.2020, 15:21
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Absolute bollox.

They should have closed the airport while the missile systems were online.
I assume the US neglected to tell the Iranians at what time they planned to attack so their missile systems were permanently online.

The Missile system command system should have identified the IFF system and recognised it was an airliner.
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Old 11.01.2020, 15:27
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Absolute bollox.
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As I said in an ealier post, there's a lot of people with a lot of hatred of POTUS / Americans in general.
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One thing you can say about Donald Trump is that he certainly knows how to engender a lot of hatred of POTUS / Americans in general.
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POTUS could deliver world peace, and you'd all be bleating 'But at what cost??!!¨'
Because he'd probably deliver it by killing everyone he doesn't like.
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Old 11.01.2020, 15:44
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Iran admits shooting down the plane: https://twitter.com/HassanRouhani/st...56679423823872

Very respectful to admit such a disastrous mistake and apologize!
Yes, but the stupid comments are hilarious!

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Absolute bollox.


The Iranians were incompetent. They should have closed the airport while the missile systems were online.
There's also quite a flight pattern difference between a slow airliner climbing out from thier own airport, and an F-35 streaking in at top speed on a bombing run.
On the ground in the heat of heightened alert and imminent threat of attacks from the air I imagine their view of battle strategy is slightly more complex than your view from a PS4 screen, though.
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Old 11.01.2020, 17:34
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The Iranians were incompetent. They should have closed the airport while the missile systems were online.
There's also quite a flight pattern difference between a slow airliner climbing out from thier own airport, and an F-35 streaking in at top speed on a bombing run.

The U.S. shot down an Iranian A300 passenger jet back in 1988 by mistake.

Were they incompetent too?
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Bad start to 2020
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Two US service members were killed and two others injured on Saturday in Kandahar Province, Afghanistan, when their vehicle struck an improvised explosive device, the US-led coalition in Kabul said in a statement.
Despite Trump's murder of Qasem Soleimani, it seems business sadly continues as usual in the ME.

Meanwhile, the justification for this murder gets ever more confused with Trump's national security officials contradicting each other about how imminent a threat Qasem Soleimani posed, whether they had specific intelligence on the threat and even what that threat was, with Trump saying one different thing then another, while officials offered varying explanations.

Lawmakers from both parties have blasted the administration for failing to share intelligence to support or explain its decisions. Administration officials who briefed them insist they explained aspects of the threat that -- bizarrely -- several members of Congress say weren't discussed at all.

The situation continues to be even more confusing with the departments of Treasury and State presenting mismatched details on new Iran sanctions on Friday
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The U.S. shot down an Iranian A300 passenger jet back in 1988 by mistake.

Were they incompetent too?
Medals and commendations were the order of the day, apparently.
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Lawmakers from both parties have blasted the administration for failing to share intelligence...
Be fair, there isn't a lot to go around...imagine how thin it would be spread if it was shared.
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Medals and commendations were the order of the day, apparently.

I heard they were all court martialed, apparently.
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The U.S. shot down an Iranian A300 passenger jet back in 1988 by mistake.

Were they incompetent too?

Who knows? If they meant to shoot it down, just criminal.
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It was a regularly scheduled flight, flying on its usual route, on time but it did not respond to radio calls from the US Warship. Civil aircraft do not usually tune to military frequencies.

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Despite the mistakes made in the downing of the plane, the men of USS Vincennes were awarded Combat Action Ribbons for completion of their tours in a combat zone. The air-warfare coordinator on duty received the Navy Commendation Medal. In 1990, Rogers was awarded the Legion of Merit "for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service as commanding officer [...] from April 1987 to May 1989." The award was given for his service as the commanding officer of Vincennes from April 1987 to May 1989. The citation made no mention of the downing of Iran Air 655.
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The U.S. government issued notes of regret for the loss of human lives, but never formally apologized or acknowledged wrongdoingInformally, on July 5 of 1988 President Ronald Reagan expressed regret; when directly asked if this statement was intended as an apology to Iran, Reagan replied "Yes." George H. W. Bush, the vice president of the United States at the time commented on a separate occasion, speaking to a group of Republican ethnic leaders (7 August 1988): "I will never apologize for the United States – I don't care what the facts are... I'm not an apologize-for-America kind of guy."
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Old 11.01.2020, 18:36
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I heard they were all court martialed, apparently.
If you are talking about the USS Vincennes, the ship that shot down the civilian airliner Iran Air Flight 655 on 3. July 1988, then the then commanding officer, Will Rogers III, received a medal, the Legion of Merit, for his services.
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Absolute bollox.


The Iranians were incompetent. They should have closed the airport while the missile systems were online.
There's also quite a flight pattern difference between a slow airliner climbing out from thier own airport, and an F-35 streaking in at top speed on a bombing run.


As I said in an ealier post, there's a lot of people with a lot of hatred of POTUS / Americans in general.

POTUS could deliver world peace, and you'd all be bleating 'But at what cost??!!¨'
It’s appalling, it really is. That so many people are not able to remove their hatred of President Trump and/or America in their judgment of the situation in the Middle East. A passenger plane has been shot down by a brutal totalitarian regime and people are talking about a completely different incident from more than 30 years ago.
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It’s appalling, it really is. That so many people are not able to remove their hatred of President Trump and/or America in their judgment of the situation in the Middle East. A passenger plane has been shot down by a brutal totalitarian regime and people are talking about a completely different incident from more than 30 years ago.
Oh that was alright then ? It is equally horrible, whoever did that.
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It’s appalling, it really is. That so many people are not able to remove their hatred of President Trump and/or America in their judgment of the situation in the Middle East. A passenger plane has been shot down by a brutal totalitarian regime and people are talking about a completely different incident from more than 30 years ago.
You mean when a passenger plane was shot down by another regime?
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It’s appalling, it really is. That so many people are not able to remove their hatred of President Trump and/or America in their judgment of the situation in the Middle East. A passenger plane has been shot down by a brutal totalitarian regime and people are talking about a completely different incident from more than 30 years ago.
I think you are missing the point.

US shoots down airliner and is unrepentant - commendations and medals.

Iran shoots down airliner and admits mistake and apologises after just 3 days - promises full cooperation and prosecution of responsible parties.

I think the word you are looking for is ‘hypocrisy‘.

Again, there is no hatred for Trump on this thread (do point it out, though CodPeace still hasn’t managed it), just find him a poundshop statesmen.
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The U.S. shot down an Iranian A300 passenger jet back in 1988 by mistake.

Were they incompetent too?
Yes.

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