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Old 11.01.2020, 21:38
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It’s appalling, it really is. That so many people are not able to remove their hatred of President Trump and/or America in their judgment of the situation in the Middle East. A passenger plane has been shot down by a brutal totalitarian regime and people are talking about a completely different incident from more than 30 years ago.
Trying to move the goalposts by your fact-free claim that people here hate Trump is doomed to failure
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Old 11.01.2020, 21:42
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Oh dear oh dear, the apologists are already out in force! It is not respectful to admit a mistake after shooting down an airliner that has taken off from your country’s main airport, saying it crashed due to “engine failure”, then blaming Donald Trump, before saying it was human error. They are only admitting to it because we thankfully live in an age where social media holds these people to account.

It is also ridiculous to suggest that the Iranian regime looks reasonable compared to Donald Trump. Donald Trump doesn’t round up and kill protesters. Again thank God that people with these views never get anywhere near power!
“Preliminary conclusions of internal investigation by Armed Forces: Human error at time of crisis caused by U.S. adventurism led to disaster,” the country’s Foreign Minister Javad Zarif said on Twitter.
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AAMOF, the US is not energy independent; it still imports around 200 million barrels of oil per month.
The reason is that there are different types of crude oil so different types of end products and oil refineries are mostly built to handle just one type of crude oil and produce one set of end products.
It would be a huge and long term investment to build new refineries and close some of the existing ones.
Basically the US produces mostly light crude oil and has to import the heavier grades.

Trump's statement was somewhere between an oversimplification and nonsense.
You're still going to have update your outdated world view though! Whilst full energy independence maybe up for debate, what isn't is the fact that the US is now the largest producer of oil in the world, and that she is also a net exporter of oil.

The result of this is that the price of oil barely moved this week after what happened, something that was unthinkable a decade ago. The boom in US oil means that she can afford to distance herself from the Middle East, and it will become less tenable to argue that oil is the reason for US interference in the Middle East.
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Old 11.01.2020, 21:50
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“Preliminary conclusions of internal investigation by Armed Forces: Human error at time of crisis caused by U.S. adventurism led to disaster,” the country’s Foreign Minister Javad Zarif said on Twitter.
Quoting the Foreign Minister of a totalitarian regime, oh dear! What is your point? Do you think they're the victims here? I think I've heard enough!
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Old 11.01.2020, 22:03
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You're still going to have update your outdated world view though! Whilst full energy independence maybe up for debate, what isn't is the fact that the US is now the largest producer of oil in the world, and that she is also a net exporter of oil.

The result of this is that the price of oil barely moved this week after what happened, something that was unthinkable a decade ago. The boom in US oil means that she can afford to distance herself from the Middle East, and it will become less tenable to argue that oil is the reason for US interference in the Middle East.
You are the one who has an outdated view. For a real-world view, look at what happened to crude oil prices after the September attack on the Saudi refineries with a spike of over 20%.

The US still needs Middle East oil, more here.
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Old 11.01.2020, 22:06
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Quoting the Foreign Minister of a totalitarian regime, oh dear! What is your point? Do you think they're the victims here? I think I've heard enough!
Quoting sources supports credibility which is a lesson you could usefully learn.
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Old 11.01.2020, 22:47
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Quoting the Foreign Minister of a totalitarian regime, oh dear! What is your point? Do you think they're the victims here? I think I've heard enough!
Which totalitarian regime are you talking about? You are deluded if you imagine that that the USA is any other than an oligarchy. True, the people go through the sham of voting at regular intervals, but ultimately it is either for the oligarch team "Democrat" or the oligarch team "Republican" and these are anyway, and especially with regard to foreign policy, more or less identical.

Are you going to tell us next that the citizens of Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan etc. are all rushing to lay bunches of flowers at the feet of soldiers of the benevolent US liberators ?

If your goal on this thread is to rehabilitate Trump and his band of warmongers in the eyes of the participants here then, IMHO, you are flogging a dead horse.
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As I said in an ealier post, there's a lot of people with a lot of hatred of POTUS / Americans in general.

POTUS could deliver world peace, and you'd all be bleating 'But at what cost??!!¨'
Well, let's begin by not starting another war then...

Btw, criticising a country's president/regime/government doesn't mean one hates them. Or its people.

Some might, who knows, but you're generalising and that is not fair. You're trying hard to stir the pot with these comments..

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Which totalitarian regime are you talking about? You are deluded if you imagine that that the USA is any other than an oligarchy. True, the people go through the sham of voting at regular intervals, but ultimately it is either for the oligarch team "Democrat" or the oligarch team "Republican" and these are anyway, and especially with regard to foreign policy, more or less identical.
Imagine if the US rounded up and arrested people for "immoral activities", or if the US arrested and tortured protesters, or if the US oppressed women, or if the US hanged gay people from cranes, or if political opponents of the "oligarchy" in the US were executed, imagine then, you may have had some justification for your outrageous argument!
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Imagine if the US rounded up and arrested people for "immoral activities", or if the US arrested and tortured protesters, or if the US oppressed women, or if the US hanged gay people from cranes, or if political opponents of the "oligarchy" in the US were executed, imagine then, you may have had some justification for your outrageous argument!
...or executed people on dodgy evidence?

Stop trying to paint the US as whiter than white, it’s embarrassing.
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Whilst shameful people on this forum have been defending the Iranian regime for admitting shooting down a passenger plane, the good people of Iran are quite rightly outraged and are risking their lives by taking to the streets in protest. What an inspiration!
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Old 12.01.2020, 09:59
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Whilst shameful people on this forum have been defending the Iranian regime for admitting shooting down a passenger plane, the good people of Iran are quite rightly outraged and are risking their lives by taking to the streets in protest. What an inspiration!
Nobody and let me repeat that, nobody has defended the Iranian regime for doing that. Stop stirring the pot and stop reading selectively.
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Whilst shameful people on this forum have been defending the Iranian regime for admitting shooting down a passenger plane, the good people of Iran are quite rightly outraged and are risking their lives by taking to the streets in protest. What an inspiration!
Interesting that you chuck all these accusations around but are incapable of producing a single example of someone ‘defending the Iranian regime’. What a pathetic way of contributing to a discussion.
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Nobody and let me repeat that, nobody has defended the Iranian regime for doing that. Stop stirring the pot and stop reading selectively.
"Very respectful to admit such a disastrous mistake and apologize!"

Followed by FIVE thanks. Followed by a load of nonsense about Iranian Flight 655 and the US. I see you!
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"Very respectful to admit such a disastrous mistake and apologize!"

Followed by FIVE thanks. Followed by a load of nonsense about Iranian Flight 655 and the US. I see you!
You misread. That is not for shooting it down but for owning up, which some other countries have not done.
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You misread. That is not for shooting it down but for owning up, which some other countries have not done.
If one continues to bring up an incident that happened over 30 years ago, the SOLE intention is to lessen what has just happened in Iran, and in doing so, defend it. There is also no misreading of the word "respectful".
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If one continues to bring up an incident that happened over 30 years ago, the SOLE intention is to lessen what has just happened in Iran, and in doing so, defend it.
Absolute codswallop. Yet you claim English as your first language.
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Imagine if the US rounded up and arrested people for "immoral activities"...
Immoral activities like being Japanese?
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Or being a Mexican child?
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Absolute codswallop. Yet you claim English as your first language.
Then explain the purpose to this illiterate the continued bringing up an event from over 30 years ago that not one person has defended.
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