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Old 03.02.2020, 16:34
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history will forever label him the first president impeached in his first term, that's awesome.
Well, wait a couple years and they can try again in his second term!



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Old 03.02.2020, 19:18
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Trump gives his State of the Union speech tomorrow, probably the first US President to do this in the middle of his impeachment trial.
Clinton was also mid-impeachment trial in the Senate when he delivered the State of the Union address to the House in 1999. His speech ran for well over an hour and he didn't mention the word "impeachment" once. I can pretty much guarantee that Trump will not have the same level of self-control.

Nixon also delivered a State of the Union address after his shenanigans in the Watergate scandal had been exposed, but of course he hadn't been impeached -- although the House would eventually commence impeachment proceedings against him, starting with investigations anticipating eventual articles of impeachment.

It will be interesting to see Trump address the same House that has only recently impeached him, with Nancy Pelosi standing right behind him.
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Clinton was also mid-impeachment trial in the Senate when he delivered the State of the Union address to the House in 1999. His speech ran for well over an hour and he didn't mention the word "impeachment" once. I can pretty much guarantee that Trump will not have the same level of self-control.

Nixon also delivered a State of the Union address after his shenanigans in the Watergate scandal had been exposed, but of course he hadn't been impeached -- although the House was in the process of investigating in anticipation of drawing up articles of impeachment.

It will be interesting to see Trump address the same House that has only recently impeached him, with Nancy Pelosi standing right behind him.
Self-control being the operative term here...lol
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Self-control being the operative term here...lol
I shall practice self control by not watching this farce.
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Well, no desire nor plans to watch the State of Union address so no self control needed on my part!
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Old 03.02.2020, 20:49
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Some commentators are floating the idea of censuring Trump which just requires a simple Senate majority rather than firing him which requires more votes and is therefore highly unlikely to succeed.

This idea is based on the fact that some GOP senators are saying the Dems proved their case but it is not serious enough to fire Trump.
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Old 03.02.2020, 21:23
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Well, no desire nor plans to watch the State of Union address so no self control needed on my part!
Sounds like my perennial new year's resolution, not to smoke—easy to keep as I never have smoked.
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Sounds like my perennial new year's resolution, not to smoke—easy to keep as I never have smoked.
You may be correct there 22 Yards as I have never been a fan of State of the Union addresses. Too much back slapping; "Haven't I done an amazing job as President" etc... Half of which is complete rubbish in my view as they extol only what they consider their accomplishments. What rhymes with boring?
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Old 04.02.2020, 08:42
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Usually, the result appears before midnight and the victor gives a nice speech.
No firm estimate yet of when a result will appear.

Did I ever post "you could not make this stuff up"?
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Usually, the result appears before midnight and the victor gives a nice speech.
No firm estimate yet of when a result will appear.

Did I ever post "you could not make this stuff up"?



It feels like about once per week is a "you could not make this stuff up"-moment.
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Old 05.02.2020, 10:28
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

First the failed impeachment, then the democrats screw up their voting and then this...



That's a hattrick in the own goal.
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Old 05.02.2020, 10:46
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First the failed impeachment, then the democrats screw up their voting and then this...



That's a hattrick in the own goal.
Impeachment worked just fine. Trump was, is, and forever will be impeached, one of only three of the 44 presidents to date to be humiliated in that way.

I don't see any own goal in Pelosi tearing up the speech.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

"the state of our union is stronger than ever before"

cue only half of the house applauding.

Spanky fans really don't get it, you can't have half of a group celebrating how united the group is.


You really can fool some of the people all of the time,.
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I don't see any own goal in Pelosi tearing up the speech.
Thats the action of a kiddie throwing a tantrum not that of a (expected) elder stateswoman.

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"the state of our union is stronger than ever before"

cue only half of the house applauding.

Spanky fans really don't get it, you can't have half of a group celebrating how united the group is.
the Dems have spent the last three years saying, we would all be united if it wasn't for them Reps.

And now the Reps are showing that the same argument works the other way too.

And the Dems are acting as if they didn't see it coming.

I call it irony.
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Impeachment worked just fine. Trump was, is, and forever will be impeached, one of only three of the 44 presidents to date to be humiliated in that way.
When you look at Bill Clinton today, you don't at all see a deeply humliated figure.

If the Dems are wishing Trump will end up like him, I'm not sure what game they are playing.

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When you look at Bill Clinton today, you don't at all see a deeply humliated figure.

If the Dems are wishing Trump will end up like him, I'm not sure what game they are playing.
The only person that was damaged in that impeachment was Monica Lewinsky. Fortunately, times have changed.
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First the failed impeachment, then the democrats screw up their voting and then this...



That's a hattrick in the own goal.
You have to remember they are all politicians and all about scoring points.

This video of Pelosi got wide coverage and dwarfed the coverage of Trump's State of the Union speech which, I am sure, was her plan.

As for the impeachment, Pelosi always knew that the Senate would acquit Trump. It was a risky gamble to demonstrate how well or not the GOP would behave in this situation with so much evidence against Trump.
We have seen the GOP strategy change in small steps from "nothing happened" to "Trump did do this but it is not serious enough to fire him"! We will have to wait for the election before we can decide if the gamble paid off or not.
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the Dems have spent the last three years saying, we would all be united if it wasn't for them Reps.

And now the Reps are showing that the same argument works the other way too.

And the Dems are acting as if they didn't see it coming.

I call it irony.
I'm not sure what point you thought I was making, or how you thought you were rebutting anything. Lets try again, he was boasting how great the union is to a room of lawmakers who are clearly divided, so the union isn't great, get it? if it makes it easier think of it like him boasting about crowd sizes in front of a photo of a sparsely populated National Mall.
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I'm not sure what point you thought I was making, or how you thought you were rebutting anything. Lets try again, he was boasting how great the union is to a room of lawmakers who are clearly divided, so the union isn't great, get it?
My mistake.

I thought it was Union as in the United States of America, not the United Lawmakers of America.

About one half of the lawmakers want Trump to remian president, right? And the other half want to see Pence take his place.
So by that logic, just about everybody wants a Republican president. Right?

See, I can twist logic too.

But you knew very well what I meant. So please stop trying to twist my words.
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