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This video of Pelosi got wide coverage and dwarfed the coverage of Trump's State of the Union speech which, I am sure, was her plan.
I don't agree to that. Trump's speeches are generally remembered as a lot of nonsense and made fun of. This time however, it's all about a sour looking woman behind him.
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I don't agree to that. Trump's speeches are generally remembered as a lot of nonsense and made fun of. This time however, it's all about a sour looking woman behind him.
Everybody will interpret it as they see fit.

Pelosi supporters will remember a woman who bravely smiled adversity in the face and tore up an evil document.

Pelosi detractors will remember a woman who was craving for attention.

I can't see anybody changing their mind because of what happened. But plenty of food for future memes and fun.
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I don't agree to that. Trump's speeches are generally remembered as a lot of nonsense and made fun of. This time however, it's all about a sour looking woman behind him.
Exactly, you got it!
People will remember Pelosi, not Trump; that was her plan.
Maybe they will think well of Pelosi or not but after a while, they will remember only her name.

Imagine how Trump feels about this....
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Maybe they will think well of Pelosi or not but after a while, they will remember only her name:
Hairy Nancy!

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Hairy Nancy!

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They'll remember that old Trump was no nancy boy.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

And her cat eyes were mesmerising!
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My mistake.

I thought it was Union as in the United States of America, not the United Lawmakers of America.

About one half of the lawmakers want Trump to remian president, right? And the other half want to see Pence take his place.
So by that logic, just about everybody wants a Republican president. Right?

See, I can twist logic too.

But you knew very well what I meant. So please stop trying to twist my words.
you just said it, "United" but the room was "divided" do you get it now? I see you can twist logic, it would be simpler if you just understood it.
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you just said it, "United" but the room was "divided" do you get it now? I see you can twist logic, it would be simpler if you just understood it.
When was the last time that it wasn't, WW2?

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Sen. Mitt Romney breaks ranks with GOP, will vote to convict Trump. So now it will be a bipartisan vote, a long way from enough votes needed for convicting Trump, of course.
Ronna Romney McDaniel, the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee and Sen. Mitt Romney’s (R-Utah) niece, has split with her uncle today.

Meanwhile, a whole bunch of Pentagon emails released
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In an email to Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, who was in his first week on the job, a top Defense official communicated his concern over Trump's "reported view that the US should cease providing security assistance" to Ukraine and its impact on national security and undermining Ukraine's efforts to defend itself against Russia.
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Days before the July 2019 call between President Donald Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, US officials were still working to expedite the delivery of Javelin anti-tank missiles to the country, according to emails and other internal documents reviewed by CNN.
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More bricks added to the wall of evidence against Trump.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Can Romney also nominate as the next president?
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Can Romney also nominate as the next president?
I believe if he wanted to run as a Republican he could still do so, but whether or not it would work out is another story.

In order to secure the party's nomination, he needs to win a certain number of delegates in caucuses and primaries. In many states, the deadline to get your name on the primary ballot has passed so there's not much chance of that.

He could run as an independent, but that would have to be a calculated move. Having Romney and Trump running against each other would potentially split the Republican vote, making a fairly easy win for whatever Democrat finally gets the nomination. Romney might not like Trump, but I'm pretty sure he'd take 4 more years of Trump over Buttigieg, Bernie or Warren any day.
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Old 06.02.2020, 15:44
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I believe if he wanted to run as a Republican he could still do so, but whether or not it would work out is another story.

In order to secure the party's nomination, he needs to win a certain number of delegates in caucuses and primaries. In many states, the deadline to get your name on the primary ballot has passed so there's not much chance of that.

He could run as an independent, but that would have to be a calculated move. Having Romney and Trump running against each other would potentially split the Republican vote, making a fairly easy win for whatever Democrat finally gets the nomination. Romney might not like Trump, but I'm pretty sure he'd take 4 more years of Trump over Buttigieg, Bernie or Warren any day.
Methinks Romney is just being tactical. Making noise now so that when Trump is gone he can claim to have been the only Republican who spoke truth to power.

Of course this means he is betting his future on there eventually being an anti-Trump backlash.
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Old 06.02.2020, 15:51
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Romney might not like Trump, but I'm pretty sure he'd take 4 more years of Trump over Buttigieg, Bernie or Warren any day.
History shows that most presidents, unless they screw up very badly, go on to win a second term.

History also shows that the political pendulum always swings back. So if Trump wins in 2020, a Dem is most likely to win in 2024. That Dem is then most likely to win a second term (2028) so the GOP is unlikely to have another chance at the presidency until 2032.

If a competent Dem wins in 2020, that Dem is mostly likely to be re-elected in 2024.

However, if Romney helps a highly incompetent Dem to beat Trump now, he has a fair chance of taking down that Dem in 2024. The Dems are right now doing their part in making sure a highly incompetent individual gets the nomination. So all Romney needs to do is to hand them the presidency by splitting the GOP vote.

So basically cutting 8 years off the time until the next GOP president.

Just an evil thought
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History shows that most presidents, unless they screw up very badly, go on to win a second term.

History also shows that the political pendulum always swings back. So if Trump wins in 2020, a Dem is most likely to win in 2024. That Dem is then most likely to win a second term (2028) so the GOP is unlikely to have another chance at the presidency until 2032.

If a competent Dem wins in 2020, that Dem is mostly likely to be re-elected in 2024.

However, if Romney helps a highly incompetent Dem to beat Trump now, he has a fair chance of taking down that Dem in 2024. The Dems are right now doing their part in making sure a highly incompetent individual gets the nomination. So all Romney needs to do is to hand them the presidency by splitting the GOP vote.

So basically cutting 8 years off the time until the next GOP president.

Just an evil thought
Interesting thought. The other thing is that Romney is not up for re-election this year, so he has less to "fear" right now than others do.

Trump and the RNC made it clear that any R up for election who dared go against Trump during the impeachment process will face a tough re-election battle.
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Old 06.02.2020, 16:42
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Methinks Romney is just being tactical. Making noise now so that when Trump is gone he can claim to have been the only Republican who spoke truth to power.

Of course this means he is betting his future on there eventually being an anti-Trump backlash.
Or more likely, he is playing to be bigly remembered in the history books as the only honest GOP Senator. There is enough evidence around that Trump delayed the military aid to Ukraine.
The open questions are first whether he did it to push Ukraine to start an investigation into a political opponent (there is a lot of circumstantial evidence supporting this view) and second whether it was serious enough to support firing Trump.

Trump's own explanation was that he was fighting corruption in Ukraine which does not have a lot to support it.
First, looking at something that happened six years ago is a strange way to tackle current problems, second, the Pentagon had already announced Ukraine had satisfied their anti-corruption requirements.
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Or more likely, he is playing to be bigly remembered in the history books as the only honest GOP Senator.
Yup. Where he stood will be in the first line of his obituary. As it will be for other GOP senators, but with a very negative connotation. Just look at how the senators from Nixon's era were discussed.

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Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) announced that he is filing an ethics complaint against Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) for “destroying” a copy of President Trump’s speech after his State of the Union address.

Gaetz said on “The Ingraham Angle” show Pelosi’s gesture was “deeply" offensive and appeared to violate the House’s Code of Official Conduct on decorum as well as a statute that prohibits the destruction, mutilation or removal of federal records.

Ingraham a Trump supporter and a former Supreme Court law clerk, pushed back on that notion; “Well, it’s not really a formal record because it’s a copy of the speech that the president signed. … This is cute, but it’s not going to work,” she said.
I doubt the ethics complaint will work either; destroying her paper copy of Trump's speech after the SOTU was finished is normal, maybe usually not so publicly?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump's remarks


If you're not a Trump fan, then watch the first 45 minutes.
If you love his smug face, start watching at 45 minutes.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump is not only vindictive but victimises the families of his targets.
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Key impeachment witness Vindman fired from White House job

Lt. Col. Alex Vindman, the top Ukraine expert at the National Security Council, was pushed out of his role Friday months earlier than expected, according to a statement from his attorney.

Vindman, a decorated veteran who was born in Ukraine, was escorted out of the White House by security and told his services were no longer needed, according to Vindman's lawyer, David Pressman.

His twin brother Lt. Col. Yevgeny Vindman, a National Security Council attorney, was also fired and walked off the White House grounds alongside him.
We will now see if the Pentagon will protect them as promised.
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No surprise!

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An internal [Fox News] research briefing obtained by the Daily Beast names four regular contributors to the network for peddling “disinformation”, particularly when it comes to the Ukraine scandal that led to Donald Trump’s impeachment.

Among those named in the lengthy document titled Ukraine, Disinformation, & the Trump Administration, put together by Fox News senior political affairs specialist Bryan S Murphy, are frequent guests Rudy Giuliani, John Solomon, Victoria Toensing and Joe diGenova.

Hannity, the popular primetime host and Trump confidant, is also criticized for laundering the reputations and trumpeting the trustworthiness of the guests in question.
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Indicted Giuliani associate Lev Parnas is still releasing photos including Giuliani meeting with shady Venezuelans in Spain.
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