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Old 14.03.2020, 11:25
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The U.S. has 10 times the population of Canada and if you compare the number of infected people you roughly get the same number 10 fold.
Look at the infected cases per 1 mio population and you see which governments completely failed to take adequate measures. Hint: Switzerland ranks 6th with 131.6 infected cases per 1 mio. people. The U.S. has 6.9 cases per 1 mio. people and Canada 4.7. It is harder to control the transmission of a pandemic virus in a large population spread over vast space. Canada has a relatively small population spread over a vast space. Switzerland has a small population spread over a small space. New York City has roughly the same population as Switzerland and they're dealing with 421 confirmed cases in the entire state (20 mio. people). That's what I call damage control.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...s-updates.html
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Coronavirus Tests per 1 mio people as of 9 March.
Switzerland 578
US 26
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Old 14.03.2020, 11:38
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I am not sure you understand the meaning of "cases per 1 mio", the fact is that Canada has relatively fewer cases despite not closing the borders.
You are entitled to your opinion but there are no facts to support Trump's claim that closing the borders prevented many cases.

Canada does not have a relatively small population spread over a vast space. they nearly all live in a narrow strip along the US border, see population density map below.

Actually nobody knows how many cases are in NY city due to the lack of test kits, the mayor of NY complains daily about this.


Bringing in Switzerland is whataboutery, it is on a different continent in totally other circumstances.

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You do know that the small stretch of land between the U.S. and Canada is almost 8'900 kilometers long? That's 30 mio. people dispersed on that stretch.

We're experiencing firsthand what not closing borders can cause. It's a disaster area in Europe. I went to the doctor last week with fever because of the common flu, I wasn't tested either for Corona. Such tests are also conducted on necessary basis in Switzerland. Look at Curley's post in the Corona thread, how a couple ended up contracting Corona, because of their own, the doctor's and the system's negligence.
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You do know that the small stretch of land between the U.S. and Canada is almost 8'900 kilometers long? That's 30 mio. people dispersed on that stretch.
Most of which is also empty. Canadians basically live in a smallish strip roughly between Quebec and a bit west of Toronto plus Vancouver. (apologies to the rest of Canada but I hope you know what I mean).

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We're experiencing firsthand what not closing borders can cause. It's a disaster area in Europe. I went to the doctor last week with fever because of the common flu, I wasn't tested either for Corona. Such tests are also conducted on necessary basis in Switzerland. Look at Curley's post in the Corona thread, how a couple ended up contracting Corona, because of their own, the doctor's and the system's negligence.
As has been stated before, the initial problem was caused by returning nationals, not foreigners. The initial spread was also mainly by nationals of the other countries who were asymptomatic at the time. The US's closing of borders didn't include returning nationals so anyway did not prevent the virus getting in.

Plus...yet again, the US has possibly the worst record for not testing, yes, even worse than Switzerland. That plus the nature of the health system there ensures there is massive undercounting of Corvid 19 cases. Undercounting in Canada is certainly lower.

Oh and why did you ignore all advice and go to a doctor? This is exactly what you are told NOT to do.
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Old 14.03.2020, 12:46
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...........Oh and why did you ignore all advice and go to a doctor? This is exactly what you are told NOT to do.
Here you call the doctor for an appointment, giving a brief info on the problem you have. (Normal procedure Corona or not Corona. No walk-in around here). It is then the doctor's decision to call you in or send you elsewhere.
So Lib did exactly what we are all advised to do.

When I went to pick up some medication I ordered, the people at my GP's told me that in their practice, no Corona suspects are allowed in. Guess it is the GP's decision how to handle that. But I also know that many elderly patients have their doctor there (3 doctors in the praxis), more than average it always seems to me, so that might be their reason.
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The U.S. has 10 times the population of Canada and if you compare the number of infected people you roughly get the same number 10 fold.
Look at the infected cases per 1 mio population and you see which governments completely failed to take adequate measures. Hint: Switzerland ranks 6th with 131.6 infected cases per 1 mio. people. The U.S. has 6.9 cases per 1 mio. people and Canada 4.7. It is harder to control the transmission of a pandemic virus in a large population spread over vast space. Canada has a relatively small population spread over a vast space. Switzerland has a small population spread over a small space. New York City has roughly the same population as Switzerland and they're dealing with 421 confirmed cases in the entire state (20 mio. people). That's what I call damage control.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...s-updates.html
The spread of the coronavirus in North America is several days behind Europe, which in turn is behind Asia. I hate to say it, but I think there will be a large uptick in cases in the US in the coming days. Whether they will be diagnosed and recorded is another matter.

Let's check back here in a week and see what the situation is.
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So Lib did exactly what we are all advised to do.
Where does LiB say he called?
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You do know that the small stretch of land between the U.S. and Canada is almost 8'900 kilometers long? That's 30 mio. people dispersed on that stretch.

We're experiencing firsthand what not closing borders can cause. It's a disaster area in Europe. I went to the doctor last week with fever because of the common flu, I wasn't tested either for Corona. Such tests are also conducted on necessary basis in Switzerland. Look at Curley's post in the Corona thread, how a couple ended up contracting Corona, because of their own, the doctor's and the system's negligence.
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Most of which is also empty. Canadians basically live in a smallish strip roughly between Quebec and a bit west of Toronto plus Vancouver. (apologies to the rest of Canada but I hope you know what I mean).


As has been stated before, the initial problem was caused by returning nationals, not foreigners. The initial spread was also mainly by nationals of the other countries who were asymptomatic at the time. The US's closing of borders didn't include returning nationals so anyway did not prevent the virus getting in.

Plus...yet again, the US has possibly the worst record for not testing, yes, even worse than Switzerland. That plus the nature of the health system there ensures there is massive undercounting of Corvid 19 cases. Undercounting in Canada is certainly lower.

Oh and why did you ignore all advice and go to a doctor? This is exactly what you are told NOT to do.
That smallish strip is larger than Europe.

The worst record for testing is on a need to test basis, according to the symptoms. It is not advised that Joe-Blow gets tested for Corona because he/she has the common flu. They take your blood and depending on your blood level and symptoms will decide whether you qualify to get tested for Corona. Pretty simple. The whole hysteria about not having tests or not testing patients is blown out of proportions.
Not that I need to justify myself but I did exactly what the doctor told me to do. I had the common flu and needed a doctor's note. I called and he told me to come in. They drew blood and according to the information I've provided him, the symptoms and the infection level, he chose to no get me tested for Corona.

A country cannot refuse their nationals from returning. The U.S. has set up a pretriage system, where people landing at airports get screened or deviated to other airports. I haven't read up on it but 3wishes posted relevant information on the topic. On the other hand, Switzerland is still allowing frontaliers to commute at will. The U.S. will certainly face their share of issues with the virus but in my opinion acted accordingly by reducing foot-traffic first from China and now from Europe. My neighbor took off today for Spain and will proceed to try and enter the U.S.. He told me, that he'll be back by April. Now, it's precisely people like that who are responsible for spreading the virus. Let me ask you, in your opinion, should he be allowed to enter a less affected country (U.S.) after having visited 2 gravely affected countries (Spain and Switzerland)?
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That smallish strip is larger than Europe
That smallish strip is maximum the size of France. Take a look at a map of population density like the one Marton provided earlier.. Might interest you to learn that the population of Canada is 82% urban. The cities are very concentrated in a few areas.

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...I did exactly what the doctor told me to do....
Glad to hear it. That is not how you wrote it first time round. Your doctor, however, should know better.

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A country cannot refuse their nationals from returning......
Never said they should and the rest is irrelevant to your earlier point. I just pointed out that the earlier (I was careful to use the past tense) closing of borders did nothing to stop the spread as in both cases (Europe and USA) it was returning nationals that brought the virus in - so don't credit the policy with a success it never had.

Testing is one thing Switzerland, most of the rest of Europe and particularly your beloved USA have all got badly wrong. Europe is paying the price for that, the US will very soon.
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That smallish strip is larger than Europe.

The worst record for testing is on a need to test basis, according to the symptoms. It is not advised that Joe-Blow gets tested for Corona because he/she has the common flu. They take your blood and depending on your blood level and symptoms will decide whether you qualify to get tested for Corona. Pretty simple. The whole hysteria about not having tests or not testing patients is blown out of proportions.
Not that I need to justify myself but I did exactly what the doctor told me to do. I had the common flu and needed a doctor's note. I called and he told me to come in. They drew blood and according to the information I've provided him, the symptoms and the infection level, he chose to no get me tested for Corona.

A country cannot refuse their nationals from returning. The U.S. has set up a pretriage system, where people landing at airports get screened or deviated to other airports. I haven't read up on it but 3wishes posted relevant information on the topic. On the other hand, Switzerland is still allowing frontaliers to commute at will. The U.S. will certainly face their share of issues with the virus but in my opinion acted accordingly by reducing foot-traffic first from China and now from Europe. My neighbor took off today for Spain and will proceed to try and enter the U.S.. He told me, that he'll be back by April. Now, it's precisely people like that who are responsible for spreading the virus. Let me ask you, in your opinion, should he be allowed to enter a less affected country (U.S.) after having visited 2 gravely affected countries (Spain and Switzerland)?
According to the U.S. Customs and Border Protection around half a million people cross the Mexico/US border into the US daily and around 200,000 cross the Canadian border legally every day, many of these are "frontaliers". So not so different from Switzerland.

As you post, the US system of pretriage is only at airports, not seaports or land crossings.
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The spread of the coronavirus in North America is several days behind Europe, which in turn is behind Asia. I hate to say it, but I think there will be a large uptick in cases in the US in the coming days. Whether they will be diagnosed and recorded is another matter.

Let's check back here in a week and see what the situation is.
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A medical professor at Johns Hopkins University urged Americans not to believe low numbers of confirmed coronavirus cases in the United States, warning the actually number of people walking around with the virus could be “between 50,000 and half a million.”
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Trump just tweeted (or yelled) "BIGGEST STOCK MARKET RISE IN HISTORY YESTERDAY!"

Trump, prognosticator extraordinaire.

I guess nobody has ever pointed out to him that stocks rally in bear markets as well as in bull markets. Regaining 10% of the loss you sustained the day before is not a reason to party.
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Trump just tweeted (or yelled) "BIGGEST STOCK MARKET RISE IN HISTORY YESTERDAY!"

Trump, prognosticator extraordinaire.

I guess nobody has ever pointed out to him that stocks rally in bear markets as well as in bull markets. Regaining 10% of the loss you sustained the day before is not a reason to party.
But that IS the Trump system all over.
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Trump just tweeted (or yelled) "BIGGEST STOCK MARKET RISE IN HISTORY YESTERDAY!"

Trump, prognosticator extraordinaire.

I guess nobody has ever pointed out to him that stocks rally in bear markets as well as in bull markets. Regaining 10% of the loss you sustained the day before is not a reason to party.
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President Trump sent an autographed chart to supporters showing the Dow Jones Industrial Average dramatically rising after he declared a national emergency over the COVID-19 virus.
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Soon after this show (see below), Fox Business announced: “Fox Business’s prime-time program Trish Regan Primetime show will be on hiatus until further notice”.

Regan’s hourlong show, “Trish Regan Primetime,” airs weekdays at 8 p.m. Eastern time.

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Soon after this show (see below), Fox Business announced: “Fox Business’s prime-time program Trish Regan Primetime show will be on hiatus until further notice”.

Regan’s hourlong show, “Trish Regan Primetime,” airs weekdays at 8 p.m. Eastern time.

Let us hope Fox continues with controlling their more extreme presenters.
I love how the tweeter (ALX) states that Trish Regan didn't say that coronavirus was a scam, while tweeting an image of Trish Regan with the words "CORONAVIRUS" and "SCAM" emblazoned next to her.
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trump looks sick at the moment. its all too much for him.
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So then all the other central banks will follow in a death spiral!!
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So then all the other central banks will follow in a death spiral!!
This Fed move was meant to help the economy but instead frightened the markets
The Dow had its worst day in history falling 3,000 points to just over 20,000; US stock market is now practically back to where it was on the day Trump was inaugurated.

Anybody for Schadenfreude?

Trump seems to be finally facing reality!
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One of my friends noticed that during these pressers, everyone stands close together, and Trump can’t stop touching his face.
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