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Old 01.04.2020, 21:09
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Seems voter suppression is part of Trump's re-election strategy.
What is voter suppression anyways? I have never seen it in my entire voting life. Who is suppressed and how?
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Old 01.04.2020, 21:41
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What is voter suppression anyways? I have never seen it in my entire voting life. Who is suppressed and how?
You have never heard of gerrymandering? Hard to believe!

More details of voter suppression here.
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Old 01.04.2020, 22:01
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What is voter suppression anyways? I have never seen it in my entire voting life. Who is suppressed and how?
It happens in various ways, including gerrymandering as someone just mentioned. It's also often used to remove black votes, thus favoring Republicans. For example:

"In July 2017, Kemp’s office purged nearly 600,000 people, or 8 percent of the state’s registered voters, from the rolls; an estimated 107,000 of them were cut simply because they hadn’t voted in recent elections. This year, Kemp has blocked the registration of 53,000 state residents, 70 percent of whom are African-American and therefore could be reasonably expected to vote for Abrams."

https://newrepublic.com/article/1518...n-black-voters
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Old 01.04.2020, 22:06
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US DOJ continues down its insane path of destroying the public confidence in the law and order agencies
DOJ watchdog finds additional problems with FBI's surveillance warrant process

I foresee a surge in private armed US militias

and now the most cynical political statement in recent days.


Translate as "blame the Dems for all the virus deaths"
Not that Trump fell asleep at the wheel.
That's their modus operandi... blame-shifting. Coincidentally, it's also a very common tactic employed by psychopaths, because psychopaths are incapable of introspection, admitting fault and questioning their own sanity.
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Old 01.04.2020, 22:06
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What is voter suppression anyways? I have never seen it in my entire voting life. Who is suppressed and how?
It's also why Congress passed the Voting Rights Act in 1965, requiring states that had historically made it harder for minorities (particularly African Americans) to register and vote get federal approval for any changes to voting laws. There were poll taxes, literacy tests, etc. The latest tactics are voter ID, limiting early voting, limiting absentee voting, and restricting voter registration timelines.

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Old 01.04.2020, 22:27
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That's their modus operandi... blame-shifting. Coincidentally, it's also a very common tactic employed by psychopaths, because psychopaths are incapable of introspection, admitting fault and questioning their own sanity.
Trump was so distracted by impeachment he could not act on the virus but luckily he had enough time to hold eleven rallies and nine rounds of golf.
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It's also why Congress passed the Voting Rights Act in 1965, requiring states that had historically made it harder for minorities (particularly African Americans) to register and vote get federal approval for any changes to voting laws. There were poll taxes, literacy tests, etc. The latest tactics are voter ID, limiting early voting, limiting absentee voting, and restricting voter registration timelines.
So it's all completely legal and doesn't target any particular group of people?
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Old 02.04.2020, 14:05
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Strange country, the US!
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Telling the truth is a dangerous hobby in the land of the free.
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Old 02.04.2020, 14:10
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So it's all completely legal and doesn't target any particular group of people?
It seems to be both which makes it so horrid.

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It has been for a long time now.
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Old 02.04.2020, 14:41
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It seems to be both which makes it so horrid.
As long as the rules/technicalities are the same for everyone I don't see what's so bad about it.
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Old 02.04.2020, 14:48
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As long as the rules/technicalities are the same for everyone I don't see what's so bad about it.
Do a little reading about the US voting system in the South prior to the mid 60s and you will soon see. It's horribly easy to fiddle with the rules to make any given target group less likely to vote. Even if the same rules apply to everyone it's pretty simple to introduce prejudice if you are so minded.

Or perhaps institutional racism doesn't bother you?
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Old 02.04.2020, 15:05
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Do a little reading about the US voting system in the South prior to the mid 60s and you will soon see. It's horribly easy to fiddle with the rules to make any given target group less likely to vote. Even if the same rules apply to everyone it's pretty simple to introduce prejudice if you are so minded.

Or perhaps institutional racism doesn't bother you?
We're talking about the present day in 2020 baboon, not the pre-1960's.
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Old 02.04.2020, 16:39
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We're talking about the present day in 2020 baboon, not the pre-1960's.
It's still going on today. Usually a bit more subtle but still very present in the US.
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It's still going on today. Usually a bit more subtle but still very present in the US.
As an example, simple stuff like moving voting locations at the last moment or closing polling locations to make it more difficult to get to voting locations.
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It's still going on today. Usually a bit more subtle but still very present in the US.
You have a set of rules / technicalities and which are applied to everyone. What's racial about it?
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Old 02.04.2020, 17:15
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

You close a polling station in a black community; absolutely not racial

You move the next nearest polling station to be as far as possible from a public transport stop, absolutely not a mixture of racism and class discrimination.
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You close a polling station in a black community; absolutely not racial

You move the next nearest polling station to be as far as possible from a public transport stop, absolutely not a mixture of racism and class discrimination.
If it was closed because it was in a black community, then sure. Otherwise it's not.
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If it was closed because it was in a black community, then sure. Otherwise it's not.
Generally that‘s why. Trying to prove it....well, not so easy.
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Old 02.04.2020, 20:14
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Generally that‘s why. Trying to prove it....well, not so easy.
How do you know though? Without proof it may be that you're simply projecting your own prejudices onto an otherwise standard situation.
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How do you know though? Without proof it may be that you're simply projecting your own prejudices onto an otherwise standard situation.
Compare the demographics of voting places that were closed versus those that remained open. Ok, so might not be that difficult after all...just had to think on it a bit. I think the analysis has been done. It‘s a bit like gerrymandering. If you look at the coverage of districts on a map, they make no sense until you take into account the demographics of the people living there.
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