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It’s like a scene from Monty Python

Patient struggling to breathe.
Doctor comes in - we’re going to put you on a vent.
Non clinical admin - don’t worry. It could be worse. AOC could be president.
And here is where you and I disagree! Let's just say, you misconstrued my post (if I am being lenient here) or, like many, you pick and choose your words to reinforce your own narrative.

So let me reiterate: No where in my post did I allege that AOC as a possible president is anywhere analogous to Corona and its implications. That is your self serving take.

My comment stated how SCARY this virus is and how SCARY or more so, it would also be for someone like AOC to preside as president. There is nuance here which you chose to ignore.

Just my thoughts...
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Trump fans' worst nightmare - President Pelosi.
She's even older. From an age perspective alone Pence is the only one worthwile.
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Ocasio's NOT a senator.

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Yes, Tom. We all agreed on that about six hours before you posted.
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Old 06.04.2020, 21:39
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She's even older. From an age perspective alone Pence is the only one worthwile.
True, but following the Constitution if both Trump and Pence die or are incapacitated, Pelosi as Speaker of the House becomes president - regardless of her age. That is of course, if she's still alive at that point.
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And here is where you and I disagree! Let's just say, you misconstrued my post (if I am being lenient here) or, like many, you pick and choose your words to reinforce your own narrative.

So let me reiterate: No where in my post did I allege that AOC as a possible president is anywhere analogous to Corona and its implications. That is your self serving take.

My comment stated how SCARY this virus is and how SCARY or more so, it would also be for someone like AOC to preside as president. There is nuance here which you chose to ignore.

Just my thoughts...
Well, you did say this:
And we thought the Coronavirus is was/scary? Wait until someone like AOC gains control!

So I don‘t quite get your point. Equally scary is a form of analogy. Perhaps I’m simply too dim to get your subtlety.

Not to worry, The ignore function will make me happier and i am, after all, self serving.

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From senile candidates to 30 y.o. someone?

From one extreme to another....nice.
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Well, you did say this:
And we thought the Coronavirus is was/scary? Wait until someone like AOC gains control!

So I don‘t quite get your point. Equally scary is a form of analogy. Perhaps I’m simply too dim to get your subtlety.

Not to worry, The ignore function will make me happier and i am, after all, self serving.

Good night.
I gather nuance/subtlety is not your forte? "Equally scary is a form of analogy?" What the heck does that mean?

No worries; I get it. Your interpretation is the right one... And you are convinced that you alone knew my words/intentions. That in and of itself beggars belief. It works both ways ennui; Sleep dreams to you as well.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Not just Trump fans' worst nightmare. It should be everybody's worst nightmare. I grew up in the SF Bay Area and lived/worked there until i was 40 and moved to Zurich in 2006. She is a cancer; her family is a cancer and everything that she is connected with in CA and US politics is tainted.

Important point - I was a Democrat until 2014.

PS - I should say MOSTLY a Democrat until 2014. I voted both sides from the 80s when I was eligible to vote. Basically was fiscally conservative, socially liberal. Now... not so much!

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Not just Trump fans' worst nightmare. It should be everybody's worst nightmare. I grew up in the SF Bay Area and lived/worked there until i was 40 and moved to Zurich in 2006. She is a cancer; her family is a cancer and everything that she is connected with in CA and US politics is tainted.

Important point - I was a Democrat until 2014.
What made you switch.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

@ennui and @terrifisch

Guys, I get it, you don't agree on this particular issue but putting each other on the ignore list for such a light dispute... which seems more like a misunderstanding anyway? That's the problem of our times, while decent folks argue, there's a lot of room for manoeuvre for the other..type(s)..And we wonder why Trump will have a second mandate. Just an opinion, nothing more...
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@ennui and @terrifisch

Guys, I get it, you don't agree on this particular issue but putting each other on the ignore list for such a light dispute... which seems more like a misunderstanding anyway? That's the problem of our times, while decent folks argue, there's a lot of room for manoeuvre for the other..type(s)..And we wonder why Trump will have a second mandate. Just an opinion, nothing more...
Thanks Greenmount! I typically never groan and have never put anyone on a ignore list as I think all opinions matter - even if I do not agree with them

I appreciate your thoughts!

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Old 06.04.2020, 23:13
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If Trump dies from anything while in office, Pence takes over.

The Republican national convention is planned for August. If Trump died before that, the delegates to the convention could choose to throw their support behind Pence as the R nominee, and probably would. Others could also pop up and express their desire to be the nominee but I doubt they'd gain much traction.

If Trump wins the election again (thus becoming president-elect) but dies before Jan. 20, 2021 the 20th amendment provides for the vice-president elect to take the office.

You can google this stuff all day - there was widespread speculation in 2016 about what could happen given the ages of Trump and Clinton. That's the same today, with the ages of Trump (74 in June) and Biden (77).
That's exactly what I didn't ask.

Or is there no way around Pence - which ever moment Trump would die?
If he died before elections, the Republicans could have an other candidate run for them, no? A brand new one
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I gather nuance/subtlety is not your forte? "Equally scary is a form of analogy?" What the heck does that mean?

No worries; I get it. Your interpretation is the right one... And you are convinced that you alone knew my words/intentions. That in and of itself beggars belief. It works both ways ennui; Sleep dreams to you as well.
Two things are equally scary, thus they are similar on some level. But clearly that wasn’t your intended meaning.

And no, you don’t get it. I would not presume to suggest my interpretation is the only one, but neither do I feel like escalating this any further.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

It is a much longer discussion than anything that I could write in an EF post... BUT, I basically felt that the party more and more was leaving me and the values I had.
When Bill Clinton emerged, I thought that it was awesome that I could vote for a Boomer President, someone almost from my generation. I was generally supportive of his first term, but it became increasingly clear (to me) that his moral relativism was not something that I could accept. Hillary is a similar piece of work.
I studied Economics at UC Berkeley; Laura Tyson was my Econ 1A professor. Everything I was taught was a lie. Globalism, NAFTA, allowing China to take over the supply chain... Again, nothing I can say in a few words would be enough.
The NeoCons came along after Clinton and they were arguably even worse. Although one could argue that they were more or less the same, just packaged as the other party in order to fool us.
Obama appealed to me because he was half white (which he never really positioned himself as) and maybe could work on the racial divide in the US and show the rest of the world that the US could accept a "black" president. Unfortunately, his first 6yrs seemed to increase the racial divide (IMO).
Then came Hillary... I can't even describe the visceral feelings of disgust that she brings out in me.
With Trump, I understand that many people hate him, though I think it is more about the person than what he is doing for the country/world. I think he is breaking a lot of the status quo since WWII and both parties fear this. But I think it needs to happen.
Anyway... enough for now.

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Morally, Trump is far worse than Bill and Hillary combined. I appreciate your opinion but Clinton and Obama were far more respected globally than Bush and Trump ever were (or will be).
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I think I'm still surprised by the importance of politics in US. Unfortunately everything seems to be too polarised over there. Someone I know from back home has put it like this "in this Trump era, the right is very radical, the left is very radical " "Universities in America are usually left" and "Colombia is a kind of socialism that goes toward communism, a new form of communism". I know of all opinions, all nuances of the spectrum. I have mixed feelings.
During elections I love to see real debates, not some childish confrontations between candidates. Some time ago I believed things are different in more stable democracies. No, it's an illusion. I've read tons of articles/studies and spoke with different people. EF was a very good opportunity to understand a few more things.
@fduvall, when I feel a visceral repulsion towards a politician I turn off the tv. I listen to some music or do something else. I know the feeling. But I don't want to become something that I am not. I'm grateful for a lot of things in life and I feel like I owe my country something. I don't want to let certain feelings win. Life outside their political circus is different. I know everyone is different too, this is just the way I deal with these thoughts. In the end, "they" don't really matter.
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That's exactly what I didn't ask.

Or is there no way around Pence - which ever moment Trump would die?
If he died before elections, the Republicans could have an other candidate run for them, no? A brand new one
To answer your question, curley, Pence would not automatically become the Republican nominee if Trump were to die before the election. However, he is the most likely person to be nominated (assuming he would want to be) as the Republican candidate.

Any person could put themself up as a candidate to replace Trump in the event of his death, but most would probably have no chance of winning the nomination. Depending on state rules, the delegates won to date by Trump—the people who vote at the Republican National Convention to decide the nominee—would either be reallocated by the party to another candidate, or they would become unbound and would be free to vote for whomever they please. Remember that Trump has won almost all of the delegates so far. The party would most likely reallocate those delegates that it can to Pence, who would have become president upon Trump's death (as we're still pre-November 2020). With a Republican-for-President-at-any-cost approach, I think any unbound delegates would most likely also go for Pence, whatever their misgivings.

Of course, if Trump were to win the next election and promptly die, there'd be no question: Pence would become #46 (demoted from his current #48 )
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Yes.

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This is what I was responding to, not Terrifisch’s post. I asked if AOC was worse than the virus.

Maybe I misinterpreted Terrifisch but not Tom, who may or may not appreciate Monty Python.
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Looks like another Inspector General will be gone soon
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Hospitals across the country reported serious shortages of tests and protective equipment in the fight against coronavirus and concerns about being able to keep health workers safe, according to a new Department of Health and Human Services Inspector General report.
Trump should be managing this centrally and not encouraging the States to have a survival of the fittest battle.
No surprise!

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President Trump on Monday claimed that an inspector general report finding "severe" shortages of supplies at hospitals to fight the novel coronavirus is "just wrong."

Trump did not provide evidence for why the conclusions of the 34-page report are wrong.

"Where did he come from, the inspector general?" Trump said, adding, "What's his name?"
BTW, the IG is a "her".

Source
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...When Bill Clinton emerged, I thought that it was awesome ..... his moral relativism was not something that I could accept.

.......With Trump, I understand that many people hate him, though I think it is more about the person than what he is doing for the country/world. ...... I think it needs to happen.
Somehow seems to be an inconsistency here.

Either you vote for the person or you vote for their actions?

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