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Somehow seems to be an inconsistency here.

Either you vote for the person or you vote for their actions?

"Persona" is part of the deal, whether we admit it or not. I doubt people who voted for Trump despise him as a person. They might not like some things about him, but he must be appealing somehow.

Personally I think Trump can be funny, loud and gregarious, overconfident like many Americans of his age and social status. But as the president of USA.....this is too big a role for him. Psychologically, intellectually.
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With all due respect, Bill Clinton is a serial rapist and likely a pedophile. Hillary... I could go on and on. One day, the truth will emerge. Combined, I think they are two of the most immoral people that have ever been in politics. Again, time will tell and I think a lot will emerge during our lifetimes...

WRT Trump's immorality, I think it is on a different (and much lower) level. He is a bully and has used this trait in his business and personal life. Until becoming President, his "circle of influence" if I might call it that, was mainly limited to what he did in NYC.

Going back to the Clinton's, Bill was Gov. of Arkansas and had his own "Lolita Express" facilitated by his state troopers and whichever security folks he needed to co-opt. Hillary was building her own base and over the course of 4+ decades, together they affected the entire world with their brand of evil.

But it is likely that our worldview differs and thus, our perspective on whether we deem the Clinton's various accomplishments good for the world, or the most despicably evil s**t in the history of evil s**t... is also different.

With regards to global respect of Clinton and Obama vs Bush and Trump; that is also a relative thing. Clinton and Obama are/were much more aligned with how the typical European viewed the world. Frankly, I could care less about that. I am much more interested in how a President might improve the world. I would say Bush's NeoCons were about the worst thing to happen to the world since WWII. I will predict that another 4 yrs of Trump will improve the world; ending the worst parts of globalism and (hopefully) move away from the corruption of the Clinton and Obama regimes. Again, I don't expect you to agree until the corruption is actually exposed. It is starting to happen and I expect it to continue beyond Trump's time in office (whether 4 or 8 yrs). People are starting to realize that they have been lied to by ALL of their leaders.

The prediction that the 21st Century would belong to China might also be stopped if the rest of the world realizes that countries MUST own their own supply chains; maybe not for everything but for fundamental needs. I do still believe that "competitive advantage" exists. I do believe that a limited amount of "economic globalism" can and should exist; primarily for luxury/non-essential items. I think the "Corona Crisis" has pointed this out. If there is a silver lining to be found amongst this pandemic, the end of globalism is it.

We may be headed for a "New World Order" just not the one that we were heading for over the last decades...

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Morally, Trump is far worse than Bill and Hillary combined. I appreciate your opinion but Clinton and Obama were far more respected globally than Bush and Trump ever were (or will be).
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With all due respect, Bill Clinton is a serial rapist and likely a pedophile. Hillary... I could go on and on. One day, the truth will emerge. Combined, I think they are two of the most immoral people that have ever been in politics. Again, time will tell and I think a lot will emerge during our lifetimes...

WRT Trump's immorality, I think it is on a different (and much lower) level. He is a bully and has used this trait in his business and personal life. Until becoming President, his "circle of influence" if I might call it that, was mainly limited to what he did in NYC.

Going back to the Clinton's, Bill was Gov. of Arkansas and had his own "Lolita Express" facilitated by his state troopers and whichever security folks he needed to co-opt. Hillary was building her own base and over the course of 4+ decades, together they affected the entire world with their brand of evil.

But it is likely that our worldview differs and thus, our perspective on whether we deem the Clinton's various accomplishments good for the world, or the most despicably evil s**t in the history of evil s**t... is also different.

With regards to global respect of Clinton and Obama vs Bush and Trump; that is also a relative thing. Clinton and Obama are/were much more aligned with how the typical European viewed the world. Frankly, I could care less about that. I am much more interested in how a President might improve the world. I would say Bush's NeoCons were about the worst thing to happen to the world since WWII. I will predict that another 4 yrs of Trump will improve the world; ending the worst parts of globalism and (hopefully) move away from the corruption of the Clinton and Obama regimes. Again, I don't expect you to agree until the corruption is actually exposed. It is starting to happen and I expect it to continue beyond Trump's time in office (whether 4 or 8 yrs). People are starting to realize that they have been lied to by ALL of their leaders.

The prediction that the 21st Century would belong to China might also be stopped if the rest of the world realizes that countries MUST own their own supply chains; maybe not for everything but for fundamental needs. I do still believe that "competitive advantage" exists. I do believe that a limited amount of "economic globalism" can and should exist; primarily for luxury/non-essential items. I think the "Corona Crisis" has pointed this out. If there is a silver lining to be found amongst this pandemic, the end of globalism is it.

We may be headed for a "New World Order" just not the one that we were heading for over the last decades...
I give a major antiglobalism credit to Trump and anti EU credit (which is antiglobal as well) to B.Johnson and EEs.

Now ..who to credit an anti FB and anti Twitter movements?
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People are starting to realize that they have been lied to by ALL of their leaders.

The prediction that the 21st Century would belong to China might also be stopped if the rest of the world realizes that countries MUST own their own supply chains; maybe not for everything but for fundamental needs. I do still believe that "competitive advantage" exists. I do believe that a limited amount of "economic globalism" can and should exist; primarily for luxury/non-essential items. I think the "Corona Crisis" has pointed this out. If there is a silver lining to be found amongst this pandemic, the end of globalism is it.

We may be headed for a "New World Order" just not the one that we were heading for over the last decades...
This. I agree. What's happening now is ridiculous and corona crisis revealed the whole stupidity of the current economic system. We can't produce masks, disinfectants, nothing? Really? (just some of the things that are big now)

And I also agree with being lied to.

As for the Clinton family, with all due respect, there's no way to say that your allegations are true.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I already stated my caveat that your worldview likely differs from mine and will thus lead you to have different beliefs about the Clinton's (taking 1 example). It is not my job to convict them in a court of law and not my intention to change your mind. But I am trying to follow clues/sources to draw my own conclusions and sometimes it helps to come here to discuss.

I also stated that I believe a lot of truth(s) will emerge over the next years, many of which will cause a lot of people to question everything that they thought to be true. Sorry if this sounds overly dramatic, but I think it is going to be a very painful time for a lot of people around the world if/when some of these truths emerge. Some of today's heroes are going to be tomorrow's villains.

Here's a question that I am thinking about a lot... What is the connection between Bill Gates, the WHO, the vaccine "industry" and China? Fauci and Birx seem to fit in the equation somewhere. And I am certainly missing some of the pieces...

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This. I agree. What's happening now is ridiculous and corona crisis revealed the whole stupidity of the current economic system. We can't produce masks, disinfectants, nothing? Really? (just some of the things that are big now)

And I also agree with being lied to.

As for the Clinton family, with all due respect, there's no way to say that your allegations are true.
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I already stated my caveat that your worldview likely differs from mine and will thus lead you to have different beliefs about the Clinton's (taking 1 example). It is not my job to convict them in a court of law and not my intention to change your mind. But I am trying to follow clues/sources to draw my own conclusions and sometimes it helps to come here to discuss.

I also stated that I believe a lot of truth(s) will emerge over the next years, many of which will cause a lot of people to question everything that they thought to be true. Sorry if this sounds overly dramatic, but I think it is going to be a very painful time for a lot of people around the world if/when some of these truths emerge. Some of today's heroes are going to be tomorrow's villains.

Here's a question that I am thinking about a lot... What is the connection between Bill Gates, the WHO, the vaccine "industry" and China? Fauci and Birx seem to fit in the equation somewhere. And I am certainly missing some of the pieces...
Yep. Not sure about Fauci and Birx, any country with independent virology and infectology labs have their own Faucis and Birxes now in their Task Force units?
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"Independent" is a slippery term. There are too many dots connecting Gates with those two. Lots of rumors out there, also, that Bill "I want to develop and control vaccines for everything" Gates did not allow his own children to be vaccinated. Another difficult to prove allegation, but allegedly discussed by his own personal physician in a closed door discussion at some scientific event. I don't know if that makes it 3rd hand/4th hand? But still interesting food for thought!

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"Independent" is a slippery term. There are too many dots connecting Gates with those two. Lots of rumors out there, also, that Bill (I want to develop and Control vaccines for everything) Gates did not allow his own children to be vaccinated. Another difficult to prove allegation, but allegedly discussed by his own personal physician in a closed door discussion at some scientific event. I don't know if that makes it 3rd hand/4th hand? But still interesting food for thought!
Like, a complete non-vaxer parent? If the reaction of an immune system is already hereditorily in overdrive, I can see why a parent would opt for no vax but would basically have to put their kids into a sterile tent for good. I think what he predicted in 2015 many virologists knew.

"Independent" virology and infectology is possible, it is created by knowledge. Low level of knowledge, more dependency on whatever mantra/MO is going around. I think Fauci and Birx so far haven't lost much credit. Pharmas will get rich, for sure. Should they get nationalized?

I think I'd worry about the personal data and privacy mess more than vax, at the moment. But tjose will likely be very connected. "If you don't vax, we stalk you and own your data", like in China.
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I'd check your data source about gates and vaccination.......

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...used-to-vacci/

I'd be more likely to trust poynter than yournewswire.

I tend to find this less interesting - more like people sitting around spinning tales, playing a 21 century version of "telephone", but I'm not really into conspiracy.

I don't know a lot about Birx, but I worked in HIV/AIDs testing research in the 1990s and I think Fauci is pretty straightforward.
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One of my clients is a privacy firm, where my Wife is CMO. So quite familiar with the movement. I suggest reading Shoshana Zuboff's The Rise of Surveillance Capitalism. Long, but thorogh, deconstruction of the business model!
And yes, tied closely with medicine, pharma and insurance. Before Corona Crisis, privacy was my #1 issue. Slowly weaning myself from social networks and devices... difficult process!

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Like, a complete non-vaxer parent? If the reaction of an immune system is already hereditorily in overdrive, I can see why a parent would opt for no vax but would basically have to put their kids into a sterile tent for good. I think what he predicted in 2015 many virologists knew.

"Independent" virology and infectology is possible, it is created by knowledge. Low level of knowledge, more dependency on whatever mantra/MO is going around. I think Fauci and Birx so far haven't lost much credit. Pharmas will get rich, for sure. Should they get nationalized?

I think I'd worry about the personal data and privacy mess more than vax, at the moment. But tjose will likely be very connected. "If you don't vax, we stalk you and own your data", like in China.
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Here's a question that I am thinking about a lot... What is the connection between Bill Gates, the WHO, the vaccine "industry" and China? Fauci and Birx seem to fit in the equation somewhere. And I am certainly missing some of the pieces...
I will have to think about it. But for the moment I know that coronaviruses (for instance), their potential mutations and transmission to humans etc were well known before all of these have started and a pandemic was expected by quite a few epidemiologists. And they didn't keep it secret, you can track their conferences etc.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

What part of my post did you not understand?
" Another difficult to prove allegation, but allegedly discussed by his own personal physician in a closed door discussion at some scientific event. I don't know if that makes it 3rd hand/4th hand? But still interesting food for thought!"

Never heard of yournewswire, but the rumour I mentioned is cited all over the web. Again, I am NOT claiming that it is true, just that it is out there.

However, it has struck me as odd for a long time Gates' interest in (or obsession with?) vaccines for what seems like every ailment known to man. I met him numerous times in the early 90s at a few events that i used to organize and was quite intrigued by him and how he transformed MS from a garage business to the behemoth it is today. So watched his other activities closely (looking for stock tips!).

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I'd check your data source about gates and vaccination.......

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...used-to-vacci/

I'd be more likely to trust poynter than yournewswire.

I don't know a lot about Birx, but I worked in HIV/AIDs testing research in the 1990s and I think Fauci is pretty straightforward. Of course, anything can change.
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One of my clients is a privacy firm, where my Wife is CMO. So quite familiar with the movement. I suggest reading Shoshana Zuboff's The Rise of Surveillance Capitalism. Long, but thorogh, deconstruction of the business model!
And yes, tied closely with medicine, pharma and insurance. Before Corona Crisis, privacy was my #1 issue. Slowly weaning myself from social networks and devices... difficult process!
I don't have to read it. That is a sad news when you have regular general public aware.

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A much shorter and more entertaining read is "Zucked" written by former mentor to "Zuck" and top VC, Roger McNamee.

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@ fduvall

It is not a question of world view.

I was commenting you are judging Clinton on his morals whereas you are using a different approach by judging Trump on his actions.
You give the excuse that "WRT Trump's immorality, I think it is on a different (and much lower) level." when you are talking about a self-confessed pussy grabber with 23 (unproven) sexual and rape allegations to stack against 4 (unproven) sexual and rape allegations against Clinton.

Then you wander off into this murky world of pedophilia, Gates vaccine conspiracies, etc. which I will not waste my time on.

As you are somebody who claims to have studied economics you know the possibility of pulling supply chains back to the US will not happen unless those industries are nationalised.
No manufacturer is going to switch from low-cost production to high cost and then watch their profits, turnover and export businesses collapse.
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As you are somebody who claims to have studied economics you know the possibility of pulling supply chains back to the US will not happen unless those industries are nationalised.
No manufacturer is going to switch from low-cost production to high cost and then watch their profits, turnover and export businesses collapse.
Nah....why so drastic? We don't need nationalisations, where I come from it's "been there done that". But there should be some rules to encourage local producers in at least some strategic industries. It can be done, we don't need to go back to communism. C'mon, the state is throwing money out of the window on so many stupid things.
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Nah....why so drastic? We don't need nationalisations, where I come from it's "been there done that". But there should be some rules to encourage local producers in at least some strategic industries. It can be done, we don't need to go back to communism. C'mon, the state is throwing money out of the window on so many stupid things.
OK, rules to encourage local producers. Another means of backdoor nationalisation.

I am not encouraging nationalisation; I just mean that no manufacturer would make this change voluntarily.
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I am much more interested in how a President might improve the world.

... ending the worst parts of globalism...

... countries MUST own their own supply chains...

If there is a silver lining to be found amongst this pandemic, the end of globalism is it.
Do you not see the obvious disconnect in what you've written?

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Bill Clinton is a serial rapist and likely a pedophile. Hillary... I could go on and on. One day, the truth will emerge. Combined, I think they are two of the most immoral people that have ever been in politics.

Going back to the Clinton's, Bill was Gov. of Arkansas and had his own "Lolita Express"... together they affected the entire world with their brand of evil.

I don't expect you to agree until the corruption is actually exposed. It is starting to happen...
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... the rumour I mentioned is cited all over the web.

However, it has struck me as odd for a long time Gates' interest in (or obsession with?) vaccines for what seems like every ailment known to man.
Try reading the above quotes from your posts, objectively. Do you think they make you sound like an alt-right crackpot conspiracy theorist?
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Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly resigned on Tuesday, a day after leaked audio revealed he called the ousted commander of the USS Theodore Roosevelt "stupid" in an address to the ship's crew, according to a US official and a former senior military official. That was the aircraft carrier stricken with COV-19.

Initially, Trump tweeted support but then turned on Modly who probably thought he was being a good Trump fan when he spoke to the ship's crew.

Meanwhile, the White House revolving door spins ever quicker. White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham is leaving and Kayleigh McEnany will replace Grisham as the fourth White House press secretary, according to two sources familiar with the situation.

President Donald Trump has removed the acting inspector general for the Defense Department, Glenn Fine, from his post -- a decision that means Fine will no longer chair the Pandemic Response Accountability Committee tasked with overseeing $2 trillion in emergency coronavirus funding.

It's the most recent effort by Trump to undermine federal oversight.
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Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly resigned on Tuesday, a day after leaked audio revealed he called the ousted commander of the USS Theodore Roosevelt "stupid" in an address to the ship's crew, according to a US official and a former senior military official. That was the aircraft carrier stricken with COV-19.

Initially, Trump tweeted support but then turned on Modly who probably thought he was being a good Trump fan when he spoke to the ship's crew.

Meanwhile, the White House revolving door spins ever quicker. White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham is leaving and Kayleigh McEnany will replace Grisham as the fourth White House press secretary, according to two sources familiar with the situation.

President Donald Trump has removed the acting inspector general for the Defense Department, Glenn Fine, from his post -- a decision that means Fine will no longer chair the Pandemic Response Accountability Committee tasked with overseeing $2 trillion in emergency coronavirus funding.

It's the most recent effort by Trump to undermine federal oversight.
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