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Good sleuthing. Can you share the section of the WHO website?

I understand the total US funding contribution to be in excess of $400m.

This PDF covers just the assessed (smaller %) rather than the voluntary contributions.
It goes much further than just the UN and their sub-organisations.

IIRC the WTO appelate panel is dysfunctional since last year because the US have been blocking new members/judges.
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At around 14% the US is indeed the largest single contributor, except they haven’t been paying their bills. This leaves Bill Gates as the largest contributor. Germany is 3rd, but if you total up the EU countries, the EU is by far the largest contributor.

And do you really think that eradicating polio and measles in other countries is not an interest to the US? Really?
No one said that global wellbeing is not in the US interests. It's about, as said by Trump, "as the organization's leading sponsor the United States has a duty to insist on full accountability"
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Old 15.04.2020, 23:33
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No one said that global wellbeing is not in the US interests. It's about, as said by Trump, "as the organization's leading sponsor the United States has a duty to insist on full accountability"
That is one of those adult sounding statements that actually has little meaning.
WHO publishes full reports of its activities, funding, expenditures, etc.
So what is missing?
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That is one of those adult sounding statements that actually has little meaning.
You just need to read between the lines:

"We're paying the big bucks so stop acting like China's bitch or the money dries up"
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That is one of those adult sounding statements that actually has little meaning.
WHO publishes full reports of its activities, funding, expenditures, etc.
So what is missing?
Reading ability. Wilfully misunderstanding.

I heard a snippet from Kellyanne Conway the other day where she defended the response, blah blah blah, but then she talked about other viruses being around - "it's covid19 folks, not Covid 1". She's smart enough to wilfully misinterpret for the masses though. I'm pretty sure she knows the 19 is for the year, not the version of the virus.
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Old 16.04.2020, 09:17
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That is one of those adult sounding statements that actually has little meaning.
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You just need to read between the lines:

"We're paying the big bucks so stop acting like China's bitch or the money dries up"
Thank you for confirming it is a meaningless statement.
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Wilfully misunderstanding.
Does this in fact mean having a different opinion?

Orwell must be turning in grave.
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Does this in fact mean having a different opinion?

Orwell must be turning in grave.
No!
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Does this in fact mean having a different opinion?

Orwell must be turning in grave.
For those in a position of power or whose influence affects millions of lives, the right to have a different opinion is accompanied by an obligation to be well-informed, and to understand the consequences of what they say and do.
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Old 16.04.2020, 10:12
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Does this in fact mean having a different opinion?

Orwell must be turning in grave.
If you read my example, it was an example of willful misunderstanding, which I think you did too.

Or maybe it‘s just strategic framing.

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You just need to read between the lines:

"We're paying the big bucks so stop acting like China's bitch or the money dries up"
But they haven't been paying the bills and they are intentionally making the WHO dysfunctional.
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Old 16.04.2020, 10:31
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President in total meltdown

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President Trump on Wednesday threatened to use his executive power to force both chambers of Congress to adjourn if the Senate did not confirm his nominees for vacancies across the administration.

The president, during a coronavirus briefing in the Rose Garden, offered a lengthy diatribe against what he described as congressional obstruction and argued confirming his nominees was more urgent than ever amid the pandemic.
He does have the power under the Constitution but it has never been used.
Probably there are ways to block him doing this, more detail here.

Anyway he has mostly caused the problem himself
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But they haven't been paying the bills and they are intentionally making the WHO dysfunctional.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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Old 16.04.2020, 16:52
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No, Trump has been diagnosed due to his behavior in general. Psychopathy is loosely defined as a lack of empathy, but there are specific criteria for it (e.g. in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders), and most psychopaths exhibit very similar behavioral patterns such as egotism / narcissism, blame-shifting, etc. Look up the term "corporate psychopath."

"Corporate psychopaths typically humiliate others publicly, ridicule coworkers, lie compulsively, and take credit for others' accomplishments, just to name a few. They are also often superficially charming, egotistical, and emotionally disconnected."
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Profes...te_Psychopaths
Based on certain....symptoms...sometimes I have the feeling that some EFers too could be diagnosed in a similar way if we look only at their posting history on EF. I'm partially kidding. I get the idea, thank you.


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I'd be weary of any psychiatrist/mental health professional who would be willing to diagnose someone based on a Twitter feed and TV clips.
It made me wonder though - who would need to act like a sociopath and for so long. I mean, there must be something clinically wrong there even so. I don't believe it is some sort of "the ends justify the means" strategy from his part. Trump can't be that subtle.

Btw, I have watched his last press conferences. People, he's sooo old!!! I wonder if it's his age more than anything, with all due respect to elderly. Some people don't age well.


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If you read my example, it was an example of willful misunderstanding, which I think you did too.

Or maybe it‘s just strategic framing.
It's just a diversion and an informal fallacy called "tu quoque".

Typical for some....opponents here.

Anyways. I wonder if the R's couldn't find someone else. Or the D's - someone less vulnerable? I think it is ironic that some people from both camps will vote with the lesser "evil".... only different for each of them.

Edit: shall we buckle up for another round of Trumpness?

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Anti Trump video by a Conservative group portraying him as a king.
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Btw, I have watched his last press conferences. People, he's sooo old!!! I wonder if it's his age more than anything, with all due respect to elderly. Some people don't age well.

It's just a diversion and an informal fallacy called "tu quoque".
I’m quite sure it’s more than just age. He’s 74 or almost 74....one is not necessarily senile at that age.

I was thinking that mental health professionals have a lot of Trump on video. There’s a lot of diagnostic material to work with. Telemedicine.

It may be a diversion, but I think it’s quite malicious. She’s very smart, she knows what she’s doing.
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It may be a diversion, but I think it’s quite malicious. .
Of course it is. I'm not sure if she really knows what she's doing though. I mean, not the diversions or maliciousness. It goes deeper than that. Each to their own.

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I’m quite sure it’s more than just age. He’s 74 or almost 74....one is not necessarily senile at that age.

I was thinking that mental health professionals have a lot of Trump on video. There’s a lot of diagnostic material to work with. Telemedicine.
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Probably. I didn't say one is senile at this age, just that some people age really bad. Trump looks and behaves like a much older person imho, one that has some age related issues. Of course, he could be mentally ill too and for a long time at that, probably he is. I didn't watch a lot of Trump material from this angle. I thought he's coming across as an entertainer tbh. A potentially dangerous one. A populist. A very strident one.

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Of course it is. I'm not sure if she really knows what she's doing though. I mean, not the diversions or maliciousness. It goes deeper than that. Each to their own.
i’m trying to understand your meaning here.
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i’m trying to understand your meaning here.
The skills of certain moderators have been discussed intensively on various threads. Let's leave it at that.

I'm more concerned for the next round of Trump. I don't think it will bring anything good.

Edit: just thinking that after this pandemic and an inevitable recession a second mandate of Trump is exactly what we needed..

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The skills of certain moderators have been discussed intensively on various threads. Let's leave it at that.

I'm more concerned for the next round of Trump. I don't think it will bring anything good.

Edit: just thinking that after this pandemic and an inevitable recession a second mandate of Trump is exactly what we needed..
Ooooooh. I was talking about Kellyanne Conway. Am in agreement with what you said.
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