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Old 18.04.2020, 23:34
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They are, though. Social media played a big role in the last election. Trump's campaign (the first one) was largely based on trying to demonize Hillary Clinton. "Drain the swamp" etc. Fake news articles and memes were intentionally created and spread all over Facebook as part of the Cambridge Analytica scandal to swing undecided voters to vote for Trump instead of Clinton. FB profiles were being monitored to look for signs of indecisiveness (regarding who someone was going to vote for) and then those profiles were targeted with anti-Hilary articles, etc. There is a good documentary about that titled "The Great Hack." Social media is often used to manipulate elections now, across the world.
That's why I think it should be ignored. FB, Twitter...do not equal to solid political work with results in my understanding. People blame Trump for media manipulation yet voluntarily agree to living on those sites, following his every move on those platforms and giving them their data. To hold somebody accountable for their work doesn't in my world mean stalk them online and succumb to outrage..and people do.

Again, there has so much been written on what he messed up, it is unproportional to how little has been analysed about his opponents and their plans for better future. If people want to change the status quo, let's quit the negative campaign and focus on why we should root for his opponents.
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That's why I think it should be ignored. FB, Twitter...do not equal to solid political work with results in my understanding. People blame Trump for media manipulation yet voluntarily agree to living on those sites, following his every move on those platforms and giving them their data. To hold somebody accountable for their work doesn't in my world mean stalk them online and succumb to outrage..and people do.

Again, there has so much been written on what he messed up, it is unproportional to how little has been analysed about his opponents and their plans for better future. If people want to change the status quo, let's quit the negative campaign and focus on why we should root for his opponents.
Are you actually saying the president of the united states isn’t accountable for what he says? I mean, yeah, he has said it himself, but thats just pretty much an example of how not to be a leader
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Old 19.04.2020, 00:08
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Twitter is public ffs, he’s got millions of followers, it is not like a tweet i might get sent out and four people read it, it’s written right there in his face, to try and say it’s some kind of private account is ridiculous
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That's why I think it should be ignored. FB, Twitter...do not equal to solid political work with results in my understanding. People blame Trump for media manipulation yet voluntarily agree to living on those sites, following his every move on those platforms and giving them their data. To hold somebody accountable for their work doesn't in my world mean stalk them online and succumb to outrage..and people do.

Again, there has so much been written on what he messed up, it is unproportional to how little has been analysed about his opponents and their plans for better future. If people want to change the status quo, let's quit the negative campaign and focus on why we should root for his opponents.
Yeah, and you know how I feel about social media. Those sites are all designed to program people.
"Whoever controls the media, controls the mind” -- Jim Morrison
Social media is not only the perfect mass surveilance tool, it is also the perfect tool for mass manipulation... and most users are clueless that they're being manipulated.
I think the internet in general easily generates obsessive-like behavior and is, in many ways, responsible for much of the aggression between the left and the right. People are using their Twitter accounts, etc. like weapons to commit psychological warfare. We're living in an age where anything and everything is seen as a reason to post and get some "likes" and false news and hate propaganda spread like a virus. We're drowning in information that causes anxiety and fuels outrage. I feel like US politics has been reduced to little more than a civil war between the left and the right, and I can only hope that some level of decency, civility and maturity will return at some point.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Is this the bullshit trump is just a common working man crap?
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Not to bloody mention the obvious that if you say his tweets are still somehow private, in them, he’s still supporting thugs
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Thats worse isn’t it, that he might have a secret army of assault rifle conspiracy believing useful idiots that he’s commanding through a secret telecommunications network, lets be thankful he’s not that intelligent.
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You're Dutch and spent a considerable amount of time in Ireland, of what concern is the U.S. presidency to you?
I'd like to see any other EU politician analyzed under a microscope and judged with the same scrutiny as President Trump. That would be something truly entertaining.
Either the President of the United States is the leader of the free world, or they're not. Which is it?
If it's the former, as is often stated, then we all have a right to comment, and you should be reminded that nothing has been said about Trump regarding policy that wasn't also said about Obama, GWB, Clinton, Carter, etc... That's the nature of US politics on the world stage. I honestly believe the commentary was far, far worse during GWB's Presidency when I was a moderator on a US Political forum.

By your own measure, maybe you shouldn't have posted in the Brexit thread because you're not British, or in the Coronavirus thread because you haven't had the virus.
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They are, though. Social media played a big role in the last election. Trump's campaign (the first one) was largely based on trying to demonize Hillary Clinton. "Drain the swamp" etc. Fake news articles and memes were intentionally created and spread all over Facebook as part of the Cambridge Analytica scandal to swing undecided voters to vote for Trump instead of Clinton. FB profiles were being monitored to look for signs of indecisiveness (regarding who someone was going to vote for) and then those profiles were targeted with anti-Hilary articles, etc. There is a good documentary about that titled "The Great Hack." Social media is often used to manipulate elections now, across the world.
Guys, before bashing Facebook and Twitter etc don't forget we're writing all of these on social media....

Online forums are part of social media too and are also very much used exactly for the same purposes - fake news, hate speech etc etc. For the moment they escaped somehow from legal scrutiny, I bet that will change some day. Don't forget some people inspire themselves from some forums for their (social) "research" on various subjects....I'll refrain from commenting any further.

Someone mentioned here something interesting about ignoring tweets. I personally wouldn't (totally) dissociate someone's behaviour in real life from any of those on the social media platforms (with or without anonymity).

It's a preeeety good indication of who exactly you are.
Yes, people might be a lot more disinhibited and "braver" but still. Judging by a certain president's Twitter accounts...I think he shouldn't have written everything that crossed his mind there. For his own good. Too late I know.

On the other hand, it's good that he was so active so that everyone can inform themselves right from the source and not accuse media of defamation etc.

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...Absolutely, the U.S. influence is vast to say the least. What bothers me is no matter what Trump does, he gets absolutely scrutinized, villainized and ridiculed. However, no European media outlet reports about let's see for instance, his support of the VCF, the possible implementation of a merit based immigration system, the First Step Act, etc. . .hence, we get a lot of people forming their opinions on TMZ journalism "Hihihihi, his hair....hihihi, he's orange.....hihihihi, he's so stupid" without looking a factual counter arguments.
Perhaps Trump gets vilified because of the vast amount of harm he does that affects the rest of us. Like, for example, when he takes actions to deliberately harm the environment and exacerbate global heating and tries to destroy the actions of other countries aimed at improving their contribution. Like when he takes actions in total disregard of refugee rights. Like when he takes actions aimed at disrupting world trade because he can't cope with the fact that other countries can do things better than the US.. Like when he targets countries for penalties for trying to make US corporations pay their fair share of tax.

Or in the current environment when he takes actions to deliberately undermine the global response to a current pandemic.

Just a few examples.

Add to that (and it's really enough on its own) the fact that he is a deeply unpleasant, egotistical, misogynistic, corrupt serial liar. Yes, he deserves everything he gets.
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We're drowning in misinformation that causes anxiety and fuels outrage.
I think this would be a more accurate statement.
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Kavanaugh I kind of understand, in that he is a judge and therefore was not publicly well known prior to being nominated to a lifetime appointment on the highest court in the land.

Still, surely his accusers could have brought up complaints before he was confirmed to circuit courts, etc.? I'm not saying his accusers lied, I don't know. But if someone messed up my life that badly, I'd follow his career and try to derail it at every stage and not shut up. I would not wait until he was in a position to be on the Supreme Court.
That's the problem with the 'believewomen' rubbish. It puts emotion over reason.
(Plus, like most forms of social justice, it seems rather selective on who it's applied to, like Biden)
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It's a preeeety good indication of who exactly you are.
Yes, people might be a lot more disinhibited and "braver" but still. Judging by a certain president's Twitter accounts...I think he shouldn't have written everything that crossed his mind there. For his own good. Too late I know.

On the other hand, it's good that he was so active so that everyone can inform themselves right from the source and not accuse media of defamation etc.
Spot on.

Of course you need to take everything with a grain of salt (here too, I might add). Sometimes a few kg of salt.

But I'm really grateful for social media. It keeps me in touch with people, informs, and it can be useful. Also, in these times, sometimes I need a good meme. But I recognise the high bullshit quotient.

For a lot of people links to more thorough political analyses are provided via platforms like Twitter and FB. And it's not an either/or thing either - you can be active on FB/Twitter and EF. So I don't see what the fuss is about,
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Plus, like most forms of social justice, it seems rather selective on who it's applied to,..
Tell me what the reason is, what do you think?
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That's the problem with the 'believewomen' rubbish. It puts emotion over reason.
(Plus, like most forms of social justice, it seems rather selective on who it's applied to, like Biden)
"the 'believewomen' rubbish." This rubbish is known as misogyny.
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Tell me what the reason is, what do you think?
I'd guess some are ignorant to their hypocrisy and others don't really care, it's just a means to gain power.
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I'd guess some are ignorant to their hypocrisy and others don't really care, it's just a means to gain power.
I agre.

Do you think Ds could find a fair way to stand a chance against Trump for his 2nd term?
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Great idea to ignore the public information generated by Trump.

In fact, as recommend by Trump himself "What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening'" so let us cover our eyes and ears and sing "lalalala" then everything will be fine.

Meanwhile, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced Saturday at a press briefing that the U.S.-Canada border restrictions will be extended for another 30 days.

The death rate in Canada is only a third of that in the US so they are anxious to stop US visitors entering the country, no doubt one can speculate on the reasons for the US results.
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I agre.

Do you think Ds could find a fair way to stand a chance against Trump for his 2nd term?
We seem to be straying off-topic? Maybe a new thread on this probably a major subject?

Anyway, Dems could promise to restore the coal industry or to eliminate the national debt or to restore the US infrastructure; these are winning ideas.
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I agre.

Do you think Ds could find a fair way to stand a chance against Trump for his 2nd term?
I guess they'd have to focus on the negative side of Trump given that that they've fielded such a weak candidate... Although it seems they've tried that for four years to little avail.
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