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...or turning it into a big deal in the media in order to either try to hurt him and/or get some attention for myself. That woman obviously chose the latter.
Decades later... that's a remarkably slow decision process.

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He's just obsessed with sniffing women's hair.
OMGWTFBBQ!!!!! This is the worst thing ever to happen to the USA!!!! You're right, Americans would be much better off going with a confirmed mysoginistic, ignorant, law-breaking, contemptuous, self-aggrandizing, egocentric, manipulative, mendacious, narcissistic asshole, if only they could find one...

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I agree with everything else you said, Pancakes, but what's the problem in being married to a gal who posed nude, has breast implants and migled with Playmates?
Fine by me! Apparently also OK with evangelical Christians, who make up a large voting bloc in the US and preach the sanctity of marriage, the evils of divorce, and the certainty of a shitstorm of fire and brimstone should any person live "immorally" (and I'm pretty sure Playboy nudes, pussy grabbers, mob-style pay-off artists, even exploiters of illegal immigrants, all fall into that category, in their minds).
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Also... Yes, as a woman, I admit that I do have a lack of respect for men who marry 'trophy wives' or have 'trophy girlfriends' and/or who treat women as sex objects. I have much more respect for a woman like Michelle Obama who is a strong, intelligent woman than I do for someone like Melania Trump who has treated herself like a sex object, wants to be perceived as a sex object and who places more importance on her appearance than anything else.

Would you rather have a daughter who was a Harvard graduate or a daughter who feels she needs breast implants so she can be perceived as being more sexy and who treats herself and wants to be perceived as a sex object?

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I see your point, but I think you mixed a few things which made the argument a tad strange. I agree with your conclusion, but the way there...Donald Trump cannot call Joe Biden a pervert for smelling his kid's hair. Period. He cannot call Biden a pervert because he hugs a bit too much. What you can criticize Trump for, along THOSE lines, is the "grab'em" comment, the infidelities, the affairs with porn stars, etc. I am under the impression that, like it or not, Melania's former jobs have all been honest jobs. Something worthy of admiration perhaps not, but I cannot criticize a woman for being a model, or getting a boob job.

Plus he's friggin' idiot.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

This thread has turned into something like an inverted competition. Instead of "who's better" it's "but the other focked up, too, and even worse". It's like two 8yr-olds pointing the finger at each other after they got caught.

It's not that long ago that a leader was expected to act with decency, at least in public. Nowadays it's a mudfest, something the dirtiest pig is bound to win.

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Not pointing the finger at everyting Trump's done whenever he's mentioned in passing IS NOT the same as condoning. At best that's sloppy logic, also see above.
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Also... Yes, as a woman, I admit that I do have a lack of respect for men who marry 'trophy wives' or have 'trophy girlfriends' and/or who treat women as sex objects.
I personally find them pathetic and/or ridiculous. But then I can be quite judgemental sometimes...

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I have much more respect for a woman like Michelle Obama who is a strong, intelligent woman than I do for someone like Melania Trump who has treated herself like a sex object, wants to be perceived as a sex object and who places more importance on her appearance than anything else.
I respect them both as long as they respect me. What each of them did with their lives is none of my business.

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Would you rather have a daughter who was a Harvard graduate or a daughter who feels she needs breast implants so she can be perceived as being more sexy and who treats herself and wants to be perceived as a sex object?
I can only hope mine won't feel the need to have breast implants or give a damn about what society expects from them. I work on that though but they're separated entities.

Edit: I wonder if Melania and others around her perceive(s) her(self) as being feminine rather than a sexual object. Just a thought.
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Old 20.04.2020, 17:20
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Congress’ independent in-house watchdog, the Government Accountability Office (GAO), is preparing a blizzard of audits that will become the first wide-ranging check on Trump’s handling of the sprawling national rescue effort.

At a time when Trump has sought to undermine nearly every independent review of his administration’s conduct, as an independent agency that works for Congress — not the president — the GAO has far more protection from Trump.

The GAO is required under the new coronavirus relief law to brief Congress every month and issue a bimonthly public report on its findings.

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Also... Yes, as a woman, I admit that I do have a lack of respect for men who marry 'trophy wives' or have 'trophy girlfriends' and/or who treat women as sex objects. I have much more respect for a woman like Michelle Obama who is a strong, intelligent woman than I do for someone like Melania Trump who has treated herself like a sex object, wants to be perceived as a sex object and who places more importance on her appearance than anything else.

Would you rather have a daughter who was a Harvard graduate or a daughter who feels she needs breast implants so she can be perceived as being more sexy and who treats herself and wants to be perceived as a sex object?
Perhaps try to be less judgemental.

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I guess they'd have to focus on the negative side of Trump given that that they've fielded such a weak candidate... Although it seems they've tried that for four years to little avail.
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I never said it was illegal, I said it was creepy to sniff people's hair.
So you believe Trump is a weak candidate therefore you focus on the negative side of Biden?
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Edit: I wonder if Melania and others around her perceive(s) her(self) as being feminine rather than a sexual object. Just a thought.
Well, I'm female, but I don't have to pose nude or get breast implants to feel that way.

I think it's pretty clear from this photo that she was choosing to allow herself to be presented as a sex object / presenting herself as a sex object rather than simply wanting to feel feminine. We're living in the age of the #metoo movement and yet some people apparently feel it's fine for women to simultaneously present themselves as sex objects and complain about being treated as such. I guess it's just my opinion, but I think it's a sad reflection of society when we begin electing rich celebrities and considering women who pose nude in soft porn magazines as role models.

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Old 20.04.2020, 17:45
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Also... Yes, as a woman, I admit that I do have a lack of respect for men who marry 'trophy wives' or have 'trophy girlfriends' and/or who treat women as sex objects. I have much more respect for a woman like Michelle Obama who is a strong, intelligent woman than I do for someone like Melania Trump who has treated herself like a sex object, wants to be perceived as a sex object and who places more importance on her appearance than anything else.

Would you rather have a daughter who was a Harvard graduate or a daughter who feels she needs breast implants so she can be perceived as being more sexy and who treats herself and wants to be perceived as a sex object?

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Some people do stupid crap because they are young and lack good judgement.

Some people do stupid crap because they need money. Sadly many young girls, especially in poorer countries, believe the sex industry is the fast track to riches.

Some people do stupid crap because, honestly, they don't care what other people think (my favourite reason).

At the end of the day, those are decisons for individuals and we should be careful in judging and snorting people down from the confortable distance of not having been in that situation ourselves

That said, the world would be a much duller place if everybody was a middle class law schoool graduate without a blemish to their name.

Yay for the crazy ones and oddballs.

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.. if Johnny Depp leaned over and sniffed my hair and kissed me on the head, I'd most likely love it (and probably start humping his leg )..
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Well, I'm female, but I don't have to pose nude or get breast implants to feel that way.

I think it's pretty clear from this photo that she was choosing to allow herself to be presented as a sex object / presenting herself as a sex object rather than simply wanting to feel feminine. We're living in the age of the #metoo movement and yet some people apparently feel it's fine for women to simultaneously present themselves as sex objects and complain about being treated as such. I guess it's just my opinion, but I think it's a sad reflection of society when we begin electing rich celebrities and considering women who pose nude in soft porn magazines as role models.

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Do you have any of Mrs Biden as a comparison?
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So you believe Trump is a weak candidate therefore you focus on the negative side of Biden?
It's difficult as to whether Trump is weak or not as he's very popular with Republicans and he's weathered the storm the past four years.

Biden, to me, comes across as a likeable guy if you ignore all the creepy stuff. I think it's senility that's going to be the problem.
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...My main problem with Biden (applies in general) however is his age. There should be an age limit, e.g. you can't be elected after age 65 or 70 or so. Ideally complemented by a limit of holding office in Congress.
You'd miss out on a few of presidents then. You decide which you think were worth keeping after age 65. All of these were either over 65 when inaugurated or turned 65 while in office (source):
  • Donald Trump
  • Ronald Reagan
  • William Henry Harrison
  • James Buchanan
  • George H.W. Bush (aka Bush 41)
  • Zachary Taylor
  • Dwight D. Eisenhower
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I never said it was illegal, I said it was creepy to sniff people's hair.
It's even more creepy to sexually assault women because you're famous and you can.
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It's difficult as to whether Trump is weak or not as he's very popular with Republicans and he's weathered the storm the past four years.

Biden, to me, comes across as a likeable guy if you ignore all the creepy stuff. I think it's senility that's going to be the problem.
I doubt it. I just think he isn't entertaining enough.
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For example, West Texas Oil index (WTI) briefly dropped below $11 a barrel today from a peak of $66 just one year ago despite multiple own tweets about Trump's great oil deal.
Crazy day, WTI just fell to $1 a barrel, yes one dollar.
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Crazy day, WTI just fell to $1 a barrel, yes one dollar.
I just saw $0.10.

Is this a good moment to buy a car with a V12?
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I just saw $0.10.

Is this a good moment to buy a car with a V12?
Good time to buy oil if you happen to own a super tanker that is currently idle.
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Good time to buy oil if you happen to own a super tanker that is currently idle.
Would a cruise ship work too? They should be cheap now.
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I doubt it. I just think he isn't entertaining enough.
Sorta depends if you're for or against him
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Some people do stupid crap because they are young and lack good judgement.

Some people do stupid crap because they need money. Sadly many young girls, especially in poorer countries, believe the sex industry is the fast track to riches.

Some people do stupid crap because, honestly, they don't care what other people think (my favourite reason).

At the end of the day, those are decisons for individuals and we should be careful in judging and snorting people down from the confortable distance of not having been in that situation ourselves

That said, the world would be a much duller place if everybody was a middle class law schoool graduate without a blemish to their name.

Yay for the crazy ones and oddballs.
Well, my reason for even bringing it up was that someone can't sit back and try to accuse Biden of being a pervert but support Trump when Trump himself is a perv and is married to a soft porn model. As for Melandia... Yes, people do stupid crap all the time. But has she ever come forth and said that modelling nude and presenting herself as a sex object was stupid?
I think that "first ladies" are usually supposed to serve as role models, but I don't understand how someone who proudly models for soft porn could be considered a role model for young women. But "to each their own." We all have our opinions, and that's mine.
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