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Of course, people are entitled to have their opinions about bias but the reality as proven by science is that there is no bias.

I note you are unable to point to even one of these "Many studies".
You can Google it if you're inclined - I'm not fussed about what you choose to believe.
If you want to convince someone you're probably better off trying to convince the majority of Americans who appear to disagree with you.
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Is this pirate guy is like DT, with the 'pu$$y just throwing themselves at him', or does he get stuck with sunken chests and no booty?
Nah, he’s a member of the House of Representatives, elected in 2019. Republican from Texas. Mid 30’s, articulate, former Navy seal, decent education. On the face of it, as different from Trump as can be in character though they share positions.

People call him pirate because he lost an eye in one of his tours of duty and usually wears an eyepatch.

He was the brunt of some jokes on Saturday Night Live last year, and he came on the show and SNL apologized. Thing is, the notoriety of SNL helped him get elected.

He might be a decent candidate, he doesn’t seem to be an evangelical whack a doodle.
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Many studies show that there is a bias against Trump. And as your own article states "the general public and a significant number of politicians are convinced the U.S. news media have a liberal and pro-Democratic bias."
I think most people (sane people) generally have a bias against narcissists, con artists and pathological liars. It's called having integrity.
Just don't forget what Fox News and other Republicans were doing, non-stop, for the eight years that Obama was in office. Repeatedly accusing Obama of being a Muslim and relentlessly demanding to see a copy of his birth certificate (which was eventually provided to prove he was born in Hawaii but of course Republicans never apologized). Calling Michelle Obama an "ape," etc. She couldn't even wear a sleeve-less dress without Fox News throwing a fit about it... Not to mention the time Obama wore a tan suit.
I don't know where you were during Obama's terms, but the right-wing media most certainly never held back on criticizing Obama -- and it was to a point that was completely absurd.

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I think most people (sane people) generally have a bias against narcissists, con artists and pathological liars. It's called having integrity.
Just don't forget what Fox News and other Republicans were doing, non-stop, for the eight years that Obama was in office. Repeatedly accusing Obama of being a Muslim and relentlessly demanding to see a copy of his birth certificate (which was eventually provided to prove he was born in Hawaii but of course Republicans never apologized). Calling Michelle Obama an "ape," etc. She couldn't even wear a sleeve-less dress without Fox News throwing a fit about it... Not to mention the time Obama wore a tan suit.
I don't know where you were during Obama's terms, but the right-wing media most certainly never held back on criticizing Obama -- and to a point that was completely absurd.
That's fantastic, though it still doesn't change my answer to Odile's question.
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You can Google it if you're inclined - I'm not fussed about what you choose to believe.
If you want to convince someone you're probably better off trying to convince the majority of Americans who appear to disagree with you.
People believe all sorts of rubbish, does not make it true.
People believe 5G towers spread coronavirus, aliens kidnap people and brainwash them, planes spread poison through their contrails, &&&

You are confused, I do not want to convince anybody about anything. Contrariwise you have failed to convince me that media bias exists and I am certainly not going to google for evidence that you are unable to find.
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What question?

Anyhow- apples and oranges - how can anyone compare criticizing someone for being a total, sexist, racist, insensitive and incapable idiot - or for someone hugely intelligent for being black and not born into the Republican elites? Makes no sense - at all.
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Having barely got past some people dying because they took chloroquine phosphate thinking it was a cheaper version of hydroxychloroquine... (this story has been carried by various news agencies if you don't approve of CNN)
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/23/h...ath/index.html

...the POTUS is now pondering the possibility of injecting disinfectant into people's lungs Yup! He actually asked if people could be injected with disinfectant.
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1253448138813173760

Sooner or later, people are going to have to stop defending the indefensible. Whilst I understand and appreciate how the economy has performed in recent years, nobody can, in all honesty, stand by and defend his him on this.
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BOOM! I love this guy. I would vote for him no matter what side he was on, and many independent moderates agree. People may think that the Republican party is morphing into Trumps image. It is not. THIS guy, Mr. Crenshaw, is already a political rockstar. He will be the nominee in 2024. He would beat Trump even now if he wanted too. He's a good facts spitter without ever being insulting, degrading, shows respect but can kill you in an argument or an actual fight. Alpha MFing Male.
Yes I have a man crush on him.

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you may understand why I think that Cranshaw will make a good candidate in 2024.
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He might be a decent candidate, he doesn’t seem to be an evangelical whack a doodle.
Good luck with that. Crenshaw is not a natural born citizen of the US. And we all know what Trump and his Republican acolytes think of presidential candidates whom they allege weren't born in the US, let alone those who 100% provably were not born in the US.

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Good luck with that. Crenshaw is not a natural born citizen of the US. And we all know what Trump and his Republican acolytes think of presidential candidates whom they allege weren't born in the US, let alone those who 100% provably were not born in the US.
Yup, you are right, I think. Stuff can change, just not likely.

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I saw that about the disinfectant too. I suppose the 25th amendment would be a positive move.
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Sooner or later, people are going to have to stop defending the indefensible. Whilst I understand and appreciate how the economy has performed in recent years, nobody can, in all honesty, stand by and defend his him on this.
Sadly it just doesn't seem likely to happen. There really is no limit to how stupid or dangerous he can be or how much he lies that they won't just suck it up.

Even now and despite repeated screw-ups and lunatic ideas I saw a poll yesterday that something like 85% of republicans still trust/believe him on the issue.

Look at post 22339 from KK Full Circle for a nice example.
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You can Google it if you're inclined - I'm not fussed about what you choose to believe.
If you want to convince someone you're probably better off trying to convince the majority of Americans who appear to disagree with you.
There are approximated 100 billion flies in the world, which are convinced manure tastes great. Whatever "majority"'s opinion" you are talking about doesn't make it fact. In other words "The fact that the majority of Americans believe that there's media bias against Trump doesn't make it so". You are presenting a very poor argument.

I haven't found any study confirming bias against Trump. After digging for a while I did find several right-wing stories claiming that there's a "new study" proving bias, but there are no links or documents of said studies, like this example. On the other hand, there are several readily available peer-reviewed articles refuting media bias, such as this one from earlier this month from Science Advances, or this one from Significance, a joint publication of the American Statistical Association and the Royal Statistical Society.
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If you want to convince someone you're probably better off trying to convince the majority of Americans who appear to disagree with you.
I'm not sure that appealing to majority opinion of a people group is a solid argument. It wasn't that long ago that the majority of Americans believed in Creationism or Intelligent Design.
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Good luck with that. Crenshaw is not a natural born citizen of the US. And we all know what Trump and his Republican acolytes think of presidential candidates whom they allege weren't born in the US, let alone those who 100% provably were not born in the US.
On second thought, I went back and checked this. The definition of natural born citizen of the US is not clearly defined, but is generally accepted as "US citizen from birth, i.e., not naturalised.

Here: https://www.thoughtco.com/presidents...the-us-3368103

A quote from this piece:

The Congressional Research Service concluded in 2011:

"The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term 'natural born' citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship 'by birth' or 'at birth,' either by being born 'in' the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; The predominant legal scholarship holds that the term natural born citizen applies, quite simply, to anyone who is a U.S. citizen at birth, or by birth, and does not have to go through the naturalization process. The child of parents who are U.S. citizens, regardless of whether he or she is born abroad, fits into the category under most modern interpretations."

The Supreme Court has never issued an opinion on this, but I believe this was discussed when Ted Cruz was considering a run.At any rate, should Crenshaw come under consideration at some point in the future, I'm sure this will be debated.
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Having barely got past some people dying because they took chloroquine phosphate thinking it was a cheaper version of hydroxychloroquine... (this story has been carried by various news agencies if you don't approve of CNN)
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/23/h...ath/index.html

...the POTUS is now pondering the possibility of injecting disinfectant into people's lungs Yup! He actually asked if people could be injected with disinfectant.
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1253448138813173760

Sooner or later, people are going to have to stop defending the indefensible. Whilst I understand and appreciate how the economy has performed in recent years, nobody can, in all honesty, stand by and defend his him on this.
I find it hilarious that the thing they tried to impeach him for is probably the very least of his actual crimes. To go on live TV and say these things is appalling. It's very rare I can be shocked by human behaviour... but I was shocked by this when I saw and heard the things he said at that press conference.

He is now truly out of control, mentally unhinged in a way that is plain for all to see and he must be stopped.
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There are approximated 100 billion flies in the world, which are convinced manure tastes great. Whatever "majority"'s opinion" you are talking about doesn't make it fact. In other words "The fact that the majority of Americans believe that there's media bias against Trump doesn't make it so". You are presenting a very poor argument.

I haven't found any study confirming bias against Trump. After digging for a while I did find several right-wing stories claiming that there's a "new study" proving bias, but there are no links or documents of said studies, like this example. On the other hand, there are several readily available peer-reviewed articles refuting media bias, such as this one from earlier this month from Science Advances, or this one from Significance, a joint publication of the American Statistical Association and the Royal Statistical Society.
People who claim evidence exists on the web and are unable to provide their sources when requested are performing a type of intellectual fraud or propaganda. It is easy to recognise this as their typical response is "you google it".
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People who claim evidence exists on the web and are unable to provide their sources when requested are performing a type of intellectual fraud or propaganda. It is easy to recognise this as their typical response is "you google it".
I'll refrain from ad hominem arguments. I don't assume that people who claim evidence and don't provide it are doing it on purpose. But it's clear that it takes a LOT more time and effort to argue with someone with strong confirmation bias, because they don't usually argue rationally.
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Having barely got past some people dying because they took chloroquine phosphate thinking it was a cheaper version of hydroxychloroquine... (this story has been carried by various news agencies if you don't approve of CNN)
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/23/h...ath/index.html

...the POTUS is now pondering the possibility of injecting disinfectant into people's lungs Yup! He actually asked if people could be injected with disinfectant.
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1253448138813173760

Sooner or later, people are going to have to stop defending the indefensible. Whilst I understand and appreciate how the economy has performed in recent years, nobody can, in all honesty, stand by and defend his him on this.
The economy has performed well in recent years but, in reality, Presidents have very little influence on the stock market. This is why the vast majority of US Presidents do not boast about the market because when it inevitably crashes they are left with egg on their faces; Trump is a fine example.
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Trump is a fine example.
That's a statement you don't hear often.
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I'll refrain from ad hominem arguments. I don't assume that people who claim evidence and don't provide it are doing it on purpose. But it's clear that it takes a LOT more time and effort to argue with someone with strong confirmation bias, because they don't usually argue rationally.
True, but when they are asked to provide the evidence and cannot then it is a different situation - Edit; they always have the option to withdraw any claim they cannot substantiate..

ad hominem is of an argument or reaction directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining whereas in this case, it is the position "that many studies exist" that is clearly not supportable.
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ad hominem is of an argument or reaction directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining whereas in this case, it is the position "that many studies exist" that is clearly not supportable.
We seem to have very similar positions regarding this thread. But since we're talking about arguments, I still believe my reply was rather accurate. It was in response to your post that said "People who claim evidence exists on the web [...] are performing a type of intellectual fraud or propaganda." The argument was qualifying people's intentions, and not the content of their statements. Thus the ad hominem comment.

I do agree with you in regards to the fallacious arguments claiming evidence exists, when there isn't. This has exploded in recent times, when world leaders try to re-invent reality.
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