Will Trump be a Good President? - Page 1120

greenmount · #**22381** 24.04.2020, 14:24

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	It is actually interesting currently in the UK, re Boris Johnson, Raab, and the handling of Covis 19, that journalist who had a clear and self-confessed pro Johnson, pro Conservatives, pro Brexit stance aka bias- are not turning against them with a vengeance. Like Piers Morgan, Nick Ferrari, and even Laura Kuensberg, Andrew Marr and a few more. In the meantime in the USA, I am absolutely sure this Doctor is very very biased, by the look on her face https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemoc...9439887625261/

Poor woman is on the verge of a heart attack. I mean it, it's dangerous to be around idiots.

You read them, you hear them and you can't believe yourself how these people have this sort of exposure and this kind of power.
We really live in an absurd world.

#**22382** 24.04.2020, 14:50

	Quote:	greenmount
	Poor woman is on the verge of a heart attack. I mean it, it's dangerous to be around idiots. You read them, you hear them and you can't believe yourself how these people have this sort of exposure and this kind of power. We really live in an absurd world.

When I first saw that video my first thought was it must be Alec Baldwin doing his Trump impression for SNL as no leader of the USA could be that stupid. It would be laughable if it weren't for the fact the amount of power this cretin has.

marton · #**22383** 24.04.2020, 15:39

	Quote:	Full Circle
	You can Google it if you're inclined - I'm not fussed about what you choose to believe. If you want to convince someone you're probably better off trying to convince the majority of Americans who appear to disagree with you.

It has been an interesting demonstration of the power of propaganda that continual repetition of the same fact-free mantra of "fake news" has convinced so many normally intelligent people of imaginary media bias against Trump despite all the evidence to the contrary.
They have even managed to convince themselves that this erroneous claim is supported by independent studies!

An amusing example this week, Trump tweeted on Wednesday "CDC Director was totally misquoted by Fake News".
Trump then dragged the poor CDC Director along to a Press Conference "to put it right".
Unfortunately for Trump, despite pressure from the President he was an honest public servant and had to admit the quote was accurate.

3Wishes · #**22384** 24.04.2020, 16:05

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	Good luck with that. Crenshaw is not a natural born citizen of the US. And we all know what Trump and his Republican acolytes think of presidential candidates whom they allege weren't born in the US, let alone those who 100% provably were not born in the US.

	Quote:	ennui
	On second thought, I went back and checked this. The definition of natural born citizen of the US is not clearly defined, but is generally accepted as "US citizen from birth, i.e., not naturalised. Here: https://www.thoughtco.com/presidents...the-us-3368103 A quote from this piece: The Congressional Research Service concluded in 2011: "The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term 'natural born' citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship 'by birth' or 'at birth,' either by being born 'in' the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; The predominant legal scholarship holds that the term natural born citizen applies, quite simply, to anyone who is a U.S. citizen at birth, or by birth, and does not have to go through the naturalization process. The child of parents who are U.S. citizens, regardless of whether he or she is born abroad, fits into the category under most modern interpretations." The Supreme Court has never issued an opinion on this, but I believe this was discussed when Ted Cruz was considering a run.At any rate, should Crenshaw come under consideration at some point in the future, I'm sure this will be debated.

Based on precedent, I'd say Crenshaw was a citizen at birth (via his parents) so he's a natural born citizen. Same as John McCain (born in Panama) and Ted Cruz (born in Canada). The Senate actually passed a resolution in 2008 declaring McCain a natural born citizen.

The other question/issue with Cruz was that he held dual nationality, and should the U.S. really elect someone to the highest office in the land that's a dual citizen. Cruz subsequently gave up his Canadian citizenship.

From Quora, regarding U.S. presidents not born on U.S. soil:

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	Technically speaking, there are eight former U.S. Presidents who were not born in the United States. George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Q. Adams, Andrew Jackson, and William Henry Harrison were all born prior to 1776, and therefore were born in British colonies. Martin Van Buren, the 8th President, was the first to be born in the United States. Harrison succeeded him, but every President since John Tyler (the 10th) was born in the U.S.

bowlie · #**22385** 24.04.2020, 16:10

	Quote:
	It is actually interesting currently in the UK, re Boris Johnson, Raab, and the handling of Covis 19, that journalist who had a clear and self-confessed pro Johnson, pro Conservatives, pro Brexit stance aka bias- are not turning against them with a vengeance. Like Piers Morgan, Nick Ferrari, and even Laura Kuensberg, Andrew Marr and a few more. In the meantime in the USA, I am absolutely sure this Doctor is very very biased, by the look on her face https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemoc...9439887625261/

What I can't understand is why she didn't jump out and shout "Don't you dare suggest such a {expletive deleted} stupid thing." To sit there and just cringe is not the right thing to do.

Full Circle · #**22386** 24.04.2020, 16:21

	Quote:	marton
	It has been an interesting demonstration of the power of propaganda that continual repetition of the same fact-free mantra of "fake news" has convinced so many normally intelligent people of imaginary media bias against Trump despite all the evidence to the contrary. They have even managed to convince themselves that this erroneous claim is supported by independent studies!

To be honest marton I try to keep discussions with you brief and to a minimum. This is because, in my opinion, you seem to argue in bad faith.

#**22387** 24.04.2020, 17:19

	Quote:	ennui
	On second thought, I went back and checked this. The definition of natural born citizen of the US is not clearly defined, but is generally accepted as "US citizen from birth, i.e., not naturalised. Here: https://www.thoughtco.com/presidents...the-us-3368103 A quote from this piece: The Congressional Research Service concluded in 2011: "The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term 'natural born' citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship 'by birth' or 'at birth,' either by being born 'in' the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; The predominant legal scholarship holds that the term natural born citizen applies, quite simply, to anyone who is a U.S. citizen at birth, or by birth, and does not have to go through the naturalization process. The child of parents who are U.S. citizens, regardless of whether he or she is born abroad, fits into the category under most modern interpretations." The Supreme Court has never issued an opinion on this, but I believe this was discussed when Ted Cruz was considering a run.At any rate, should Crenshaw come under consideration at some point in the future, I'm sure this will be debated.

I'm not so sure that that's the majority or predominant view. Also, I understand that it may be Congress and not the Supreme Court who would have to decide this question.

If legal opinion is that any legal US citizen who automatically acquired citizenship at birth is a "natural born citizen", what was the point of the whole Trump anti-Obama birther deal?

3Wishes · #**22388** 24.04.2020, 17:31

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	I'm not so sure that that's the majority or predominant view. Also, I understand that it may be Congress and not the Supreme Court who would have to decide this question. If legal opinion is that any legal US citizen who automatically acquired citizenship at birth is a "natural born citizen", what was the point of the whole Trump anti-Obama birther deal?

It gets complicated if both parents are not U.S. citizens.

The claim was that Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii. If you believe that then you have to look at the rules for acquiring citizenship if a person is born abroad.

Obama's mother was only 18 when she gave birth. If she was 18 AND residing in Kenya, then he would not qualify under existing law at that time. Emphasis mine:

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	For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, the U.S. citizen parent must have been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for 10 years prior to the person’s birth, at least five of which were after the age of 14 for the person to acquire U.S. citizenship at birth. The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship.

At age 18, she would not have been in the U.S. for 5 years after the age of 14.

Source

#**22389** 24.04.2020, 17:46

	Quote:	Patxi
	This guy is gonna get a Nobel Prize, mark my words.

When in one of his tweets Trump characterized himself as a “very stable genius” who is “like, really smart” Sure they could have a special Nobel Price category just for him!

#**22390** 24.04.2020, 17:54

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Rupert Murdoch?

Fox News ?

#**22391** 24.04.2020, 17:56

	Quote:	Full Circle
	To be honest marton I try to keep discussions with you brief and to a minimum. This is because, in my opinion, you seem to argue in bad faith.

Pot kettle....

#**22392** 24.04.2020, 18:03

If any Trump supporter or apologiser has medics in the family- perhaps s/he could ask for their opinion on the matter? And ask them if they would be prepared to put their family forwards as guinea pigs? And report back- thanks.

greenmount · #**22393** 24.04.2020, 18:50

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	If any Trump supporter or apologiser has medics in the family- perhaps s/he could ask for their opinion on the matter? And ask them if they would be prepared to put their family forwards as guinea pigs? And report back- thanks.

Oh c'mon have some mercy, it must be exhausting enough to continue defending and finding excuses for Trump under the circumstances.

I don't think they are genuine....well in all fairness maybe with a couple or few exceptions.

greenmount · #**22394** 24.04.2020, 18:58

	Quote:	3Wishes
	Based on precedent, I'd say Crenshaw was a citizen at birth (via his parents) so he's a natural born citizen. Same as John McCain (born in Panama) and Ted Cruz (born in Canada). The Senate actually passed a resolution in 2008 declaring McCain a natural born citizen. The other question/issue with Cruz was that he held dual nationality, and should the U.S. really elect someone to the highest office in the land that's a dual citizen. Cruz subsequently gave up his Canadian citizenship. From Quora, regarding U.S. presidents not born on U.S. soil:

I wish he was running for presidency not Trump!!!! I'd have liked to know his positions on a few things though
- environment
- WHO
- immigration
- United Nations
and there are some more...
Do your friends still support Trump? I personally don't know anyone who would or will vote for him. I don't think they're all hardcore Democrats, it's just too crazy for them.

marton · #**22395** 24.04.2020, 19:10

	Quote:	bowlie
	Injecting cleaning products. Bring it on, offer free syringes, demonstrate on live TV. Solves so many problems.

Speaking of which

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	Two anti-malaria medications highly touted by President Trump should not be taken outside a hospital or clinical trial because of the risk of severe heart problems, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) warned Friday. The FDA said it issued the warning because of numerous reports about serious cardiac events and death in patients with COVID-19 receiving hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, either alone or combined with the antibiotic azithromycin.

Source

"numerous reports"! Lordy!, Lordy!, "There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase closely associated with P. T. Barnum but even so they do not deserve to be seriously ill or die.

Meanwhile, Trump administration to allow small casinos to apply for coronavirus relief loans.
I believe all Trump's casinos have long ago collapsed financially?

#**22396** 24.04.2020, 19:29

Just been reading the latest BMJ, you know, that hotbed of socialism and left-wingers - and lots of potential drugs are discussed ... I searched and searched - but no, I could not find any mention of light treatment, through the skin or otherwise, or disinfectant- none whatsoever. They are probably very behind Modern US technology and research.

Full Circle · #**22397** 24.04.2020, 19:34

	Quote:
	If any Trump supporter or apologiser has medics in the family- perhaps s/he could ask for their opinion on the matter? And ask them if they would be prepared to put their family forwards as guinea pigs? And report back- thanks.

He never suggested it, he never recommended it. He didn't even claim that he thought it would work; he only asked if it wasn't worth testing. Pathetic, shameful, incredibly idiotic, but just a question.

Caleb · #**22398** 24.04.2020, 19:40

	Quote:	Full Circle
	He never suggested it, he never recommended it. He didn't even claim that he thought it would work; he only asked if it wasn't worth testing. Pathetic, shameful, incredibly idiotic, but just a question.

Can I say that I agree with what you just said?

greenmount · #**22399** 24.04.2020, 19:41

	Quote:	bowlie
	What I can't understand is why she didn't jump out and shout "Don't you dare suggest such a {expletive deleted} stupid thing." To sit there and just cringe is not the right thing to do.

Probably too shocked and deep down scared to even think of having a reply right on the spot.

Did it never happen to you to wish you could have said this or that instead of some light reply to a completely rude or ignorant person? Just too shocked to even think of saying something sensible?

Maybe you always have the right replies in all situations, but not everyone. I understand perfectly the risks she didn't want to take.

3Wishes · #**22400** 24.04.2020, 19:43

	Quote:	greenmount
	...Do your friends still support Trump? I personally don't know anyone who would or will vote for him. I don't think they're all hardcore Democrats, it's just too crazy for them.

Loads of friends do, yes. FB profile pics and wall posts about how amazing he is, etc. I'll try to download some and post here so you can see the kind of stuff. I also have friends who hate Trump with the fire of a thousand suns and they post their share of nonsense too.