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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Now Trump is saying he was speaking sarcastically when talking about shooting poisons. Which he wasn’t. Now blaming the media for taking his comments out of context. Which they didn’t.

Why can’t he say that he made a mistake and he shouldn’t have said that.

What a moron.
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Now Trump is saying he was speaking sarcastically when talking about shooting poisons. Which he wasn’t

Why can’t he say that he made a mistake and he shouldn’t have said that.

What a moron.
Trump is quoted completely out of context, you can "prove" anything and everything that way. The MSM should be ashamed of themselves. Not just for the malignant misrepresentation but also for not informing the public about what Brian said.
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Old 24.04.2020, 19:28
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Trump is quoted completely out of context, you can "prove" anything and everything that way.
The thing with Presidential press briefings is that they're a matter of public record and televised live. You can probably download the full transcript if needs be.

Simple fact is, anyone who watched this particular press briefing has had ample opportunity to assess the footage time and time again, and come to a rational conclusion. Unfortunately, the forum rules prevent me from posting my honest opinion, and that's the version after I self edited all the words that I would never use in person, but which definitely sprang to mind. Which reminds me...

You never did explain Rupert Murdoch?
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Loads of friends do, yes. FB profile pics and wall posts about how amazing he is, etc. I'll try to download some and post here so you can see the kind of stuff. I also have friends who hate Trump with the fire of a thousand suns and they post their share of nonsense too.
Family members who think he's greaaaaaaat. Whenever he says something exceedingly stupid they exclaim "it's not about politics" "we have to work together". But then they never work with anyone outside the circle. Meh.
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Family members who think he's greaaaaaaat. Whenever he says something exceedingly stupid they exclaim "it's not about politics" "we have to work together". But then they never work with anyone outside the circle. Meh.
Are they on EF too?
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Are they on EF too?
Fortunately not - they're all in the USA. And they're not really close relatives. Whew! Of course these behaviours are not unique to my family, as we've observed.
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So why did the good Doctor not leave the room?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...XcTCEht5z_shAA

and now he has totally backtracked and said 'it was just a sarcastic question'.

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https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...XcTCEht5z_shAA

and now he has totally backtracked and said 'it was just a sarcastic question'.
I think it would be much more effective if the journalists simply closed their notebooks and walked out of the room. These are not briefings, but campaign speeches paid by the US taxpayers.
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Old 24.04.2020, 20:58
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He never suggested it, he never recommended it. He didn't even claim that he thought it would work; he only asked if it wasn't worth testing. Pathetic, shameful, incredibly idiotic, but just a question.
The problem is that there exists a subset of Trump fans who simply do whatever Trump hints at. He is an extremely powerful influencer for some people and so should be very careful about what he says.

I post again "The US FDA said it issued the warning because of numerous reports about serious cardiac events and death in patients with COVID-19 receiving hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, either alone or combined with the antibiotic azithromycin." this despite Trump's apologists claiming he always said people should only take such medicines under medical supervision.
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Old 24.04.2020, 21:01
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I think it would be much more effective if the journalists simply closed their notebooks and walked out of the room. These are not briefings, but campaign speeches paid by the US taxpayers.
Both CNN and MSNBC no longer show the entire coronavirus task force press briefings; they focus on the parts given by the medical experts.
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I agree, everyone has some sort of bias.

And given that journalists are overwhelmingly liberal (and donate far more money to the Democrats) it would only be natural that the media would have a liberal bias.
Perhaps most journalists in the US do tend to be more progressive than conservative, but the news company in the US that has the highest ratings and followers is Fox News, which is extremely biased in favor of conservatives, including Trump.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...s-viewers-usa/

Also, keep in mind that anything that even slightly criticizes Trump is labeled as being "fake news" by him and his followers in an attempt to discredit that news source. If a news agency simply reports that Trump had said the virus was "no big deal," he and his followers will perceive them as having a bias against him. If you watch his briefings, he will almost always immediately say that a journalist is "fake news" whenever they ask a question that he doesn't want to answer. He did it again just yesterday during his briefing when a journalist asked him a simple question and Trump interrupted him by saying "I'm the President. And you're fake news." It's really just one more example of the way he tries to bully people.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...laims-reaction
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Loads of friends do, yes. FB profile pics and wall posts about how amazing he is, etc. I'll try to download some and post here so you can see the kind of stuff. I also have friends who hate Trump with the fire of a thousand suns and they post their share of nonsense too.
Yes, I also have friends who share such memes. I find it better not to share but maybe there is a possibility to do so for educational purposes.
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I think it would be much more effective if the journalists simply closed their notebooks and walked out of the room. These are not briefings, but campaign speeches paid by the US taxpayers.
I watched a documentary about Trump on Netflix recently, and even at his own father's funeral, when he gave his eulogy, it wasn't about his father. Instead, it was just all about Trump bragging about himself. It's just truly sickening behavior.
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Old 24.04.2020, 21:24
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Trump is quoted completely out of context, you can "prove" anything and everything that way.
In this case, I have to agree. I went back and read the transcript and watched the video. Trump did not suggest that people at home should start injecting bleach into their veins. He was turned to the side asking a question of someone, I think Dr Birx. If you only read the headlines, you get a totally different impression.

Will stupid people maybe get ideas? Yes. In fact they did, with the State of Maryland reporting more than 100 people calling the state health line asking if they could mix disinfectant and drink it to prevent Coronavirus.

But did he actually suggest everyday citizens start injecting disinfectants? No.

The media should make sure people know not to try things at home but the hyped headlines are a bit much - and only further bolster Trump's claim that the MSM is biased against him.
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Old 24.04.2020, 21:38
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In this case, I have to agree. I went back and read the transcript and watched the video. Trump did not suggest that people at home should start injecting bleach into their veins. He was turned to the side asking a question of someone, I think Dr Birx. If you only read the headlines, you get a totally different impression.

Will stupid people maybe get ideas? Yes. In fact they did, with the State of Maryland reporting more than 100 people calling the state health line asking if they could mix disinfectant and drink it to prevent Coronavirus.

But did he actually suggest everyday citizens start injecting disinfectants? No.

The media should make sure people know not to try things at home but the hyped headlines are a bit much - and only further bolster Trump's claim that the MSM is biased against him.
If we want to talk about hyped headlines can we please quote such headlines?
From CNN "Donald Trump's incredibly dangerous musings on disinfectants"
Which seems reasonably accurate?
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In this case, I have to agree.
Watch the video again. Trump is speaking to a doctor and going through different theories on light therapy that are going to be checked. And then he says to the good doctor...

His words:

“And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute — one minute — and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning?” he asked. “Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that.”

That cannot be taken out of context. And it wasn't sarcastic or funny. It was just plain and simple dumb.
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a lot more than dumb- as it will be taken by some out of context- and then it becomes very dangerous and dealy.
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To me it seems like "thinking out loud" type of open discourse. I don't see any harm in it. Unfortunate, yes. Not sure what there is to misunderstand though.
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If we want to talk about hyped headlines can we please quote such headlines?
From CNN "Donald Trump's incredibly dangerous musings on disinfectants"
Which seems reasonably accurate?
"'It's irresponsible and it's dangerous': Experts rip Trump's idea of injecting disinfectant to treat COVID-19" - MSNBC

"Coronavirus: Outcry after Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment" - BBC

"Please don’t inject bleach’: Trump’s wild coronavirus claims prompt disbelief " - Guardian

This headline says one thing "It's Not Fake News: Trump Did Actually Suggest That Injecting Bleach Could Be a Cure for COVID-19"...and in the article they say that "technically Trump didn't say that" - Reason.com

and another from CNN: "Fact check: Trump dangerously suggests sunlight and ingesting disinfectants could help cure coronavirus"
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To me it seems like "thinking out loud" type of open discourse. I don't see any harm in it. Unfortunate, yes. Not sure what there is to misunderstand though.
This was a press conference on a serious matter. There is absolutely no excuse for his musings except that he's a friggin narcissist who doesn't give a damn on the impact of his words. To him, it's all one big game that he's winning.
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