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THAT.

On top of that, nobody likes to see a bully winning. And Trump, who is clearly not a smart person, who is uneducated, blatantly ignorant about anything that is not himself, rude and just the personification of all unbecoming human features, is the president of the US, and stands to win a second round. So who doesn't want to impart a modicum of cosmic justice with a jab at a malicious or stupid comment?
I don't. Lot of people I know don't. Lot of other media do not. Because it is reductionist. While thinking Trump has many flaws, probably not more than other people to be statistical, still - the game that media play is demonizing one personality, giving him that much impact over others. Trump isn't the problem while everyone impersonalized all US and world troubles in Trump. I don't care one bit for him, I like how he doesn't care for conventions, he has drive and energy. But having so many people believe that he is that one big problem - he is not. And he will be gone soon and it will become obvious. Yet that mindset of either loving or dissing that one overpowering iconic persona that either saves or wrecks the world, will stick. It is what people as media consumers want. It is what media gives them.
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He made foolish comments and they could've held him to account but instead they took it way too far.

Classic Trump Derangement Syndrome
The danger of suggestions by powerful men, history tells us all
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"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" is a quote attributed to Henry II of England, which preceded the death of Thomas Becket, the Archbishop of Canterbury, in 1170.
While it was not expressed as an order, it prompted four knights to travel from Normandy to Canterbury, where they killed Becket.
The phrase is commonly in modern day used to express the idea that a ruler's wish can be interpreted as a command by his or her subordinates.
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"plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose"
(The more things change, the more it's the same thing).
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This is beyond insane now, how can anyone be beyond that stupid, conservative meritocracy is dead, they’re all just arseholes.
Yeah, conservative meritocracy is dead, hopefully not meritocracy itself....

But I agree. There's no way to find many things rational in conservatism today. There's no way to find many things rational in the far-left movements either. Or globalism. There's a need for new things - fair, more honest and down-to-earth.
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I don't. Lot of people I know don't. Lot of other media do not. Because it is reductionist. While thinking Trump has many flaws, probably not more than other people to be statistical, still - the game that media play is demonizing one personality, giving him that much impact over others. Trump isn't the problem while everyone impersonalized all US and world troubles in Trump. I don't care one bit for him, I like how he doesn't care for conventions, he has drive and energy. But having so many people believe that he is that one big problem - he is not. And he will be gone soon and it will become obvious. Yet that mindset of either loving or dissing that one overpowering iconic persona that either saves or wrecks the world, will stick. It is what people as media consumers want. It is what media gives them.
Powerful leaders who are only focussed on their own goals and have no sense of shame have very damaging effects on the people around them including their own citizens.

Look at the very able and distinguished people who worked for Trump and who are now consigned to the Trump scrapyard; labelled with insulting nicknames and subject to horrible abuse.

Luckily the US has a strong Constitution and courts who uphold it otherwise the wrecking would be much wider.
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Powerful leaders who are only focussed on their own goals and have no sense of shame have very damaging effects on the people around them including their own citizens.

Look at the very able and distinguished people who worked for Trump and who are now consigned to the Trump scrapyard; labelled with insulting nicknames and subject to horrible abuse.

Luckily the US has a strong Constitution and courts who uphold it otherwise the wrecking would be much wider.

This.

What a nice, balanced post from you, marton.... I'm kidding, you know people here like you. I hope I don't sound condescending and superior, I'm just blunt.

Let's hope they'll have or keep having ("they" and every other country) strong, independent institutions that do their job and are not/cannot be intimidated or blackmailed. Separation of powers.

The more I think of politics around the globe, the more I appreciate the country I live in. The more I think the Swiss are a rare breed. (hope it doesn't sound nativist, it's just a way of saying...)
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Powerful leaders who are only focussed on their own goals and have no sense of shame have very damaging effects on the people around them including their own citizens.

Look at the very able and distinguished people who worked for Trump and who are now consigned to the Trump scrapyard; labelled with insulting nicknames and subject to horrible abuse.

Luckily the US has a strong Constitution and courts who uphold it otherwise the wrecking would be much wider.

It isn't the media unfairly demonizing Trump. My judgement of him comes from his own words and tweets. His nasty spiteful juvenile name calling, his insistence on ridiculing those who slight him and his petty revenges and lies. All behaviour that wouldn't be accepted in a school playground. He is the very definition of the school yard bully and it is completely beyond me how any reasonable and intelligent human being can justify that behaviour as acceptable for any grown man let alone the President of the United States.
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The more I think of politics around the globe, the more I appreciate the country I live in. The more I think the Swiss are a rare breed. (hope it doesn't sound nativist, it's just a way of saying...)
Largely conservative and nationalistic?
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Powerful leaders who are only focussed on their own goals and have no sense of shame have very damaging effects on the people around them including their own citizens.

Look at the very able and distinguished people who worked for Trump and who are now consigned to the Trump scrapyard; labelled with insulting nicknames and subject to horrible abuse.

Luckily the US has a strong Constitution and courts who uphold it otherwise the wrecking would be much wider.
Luckily for all. Courts have been in Trump's favor so far. There is good and bad in the culture of lawsuits - "Caution, content's hot" is just an example. Customer's liability. And it comes with TV watching and media consumption too. Trump evidently counted on people not injecting desinfectants at home. So why are media forcing this on us. Because panic, outrage and conflicts sell, so they engineer them. Trump engineers controversion, too, free media space. I have always said this.
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Largely conservative and nationalistic?
Largely conservative and patriotic. Not sure about the nationalism, not in a negative sense. Everything is based on merit and local, not global, here. But when Trumps roots for the same in the US, it becomes bad.
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A study was done which found that Trump-supporters share five characteristics.

1. Authoritarian Personality Syndrome
Authoritarianism refers to the advocacy or enforcement of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom, and is commonly associated with a lack of concern for the opinions or needs of others.

2. Social dominance orientation
Social dominance orientation (SDO)—which is distinct but related to authoritarian personality syndrome—refers to people who have a preference for the societal hierarchy of groups, specifically with a structure in which the high-status groups have dominance over the low-status ones.

3. Prejudice
While the dog whistles of the past were more subtle, Trump’s are sometimes shockingly direct. There’s no denying that he routinely appeals to bigoted supporters when he calls Muslims “dangerous” and Mexican immigrants “rapists” and “murderers,” often in a blanketed fashion. Perhaps unsurprisingly, a new study has shown that support for Trump is correlated with a standard scale of modern racism.

4. Intergroup contact
Intergroup contact refers to contact with members of groups that are outside one’s own, which has been experimentally shown to reduce prejudice. As such, it’s important to note that there is growing evidence that Trump’s white supporters have experienced significantly less contact with minorities than other Americans. For example, a 2016 study found that “…the racial and ethnic isolation of Whites at the zip-code level is one of the strongest predictors of Trump support.”

5. Relative deprivation
Relative deprivation refers to the experience of being deprived of something to which one believes they are entitled. Common explanations for Trump’s popularity among non-bigoted voters involve economics. There is no doubt that some Trump supporters are simply angry that American jobs are being lost to Mexico and China, which is certainly understandable, although these loyalists often ignore the fact that many of these jobs are actually being lost due to the accelerating pace of automation.

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Luckily for all. Courts have been in Trump's favor so far. There is good and bad in the culture of lawsuits - "Caution, content's hot" is just an example. Customer's liability. And it comes with TV watching and media consumption too. Trump evidently counted on people not injecting desinfectants at home. So why are media forcing this on us. Because panic, outrage and conflicts sell, so they engineer them. Trump engineers controversion, too, free media space. I have always said this.
I know facts are boring and fake news but up to April 21, 2020 according to this site the Trump administration has lost 74 out of 80 cases over the use of agencies to deregulate as well as to implement its other policy priorities.

Thursday the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against the Trump administration in a case Earthjustice called "the clean water case of the century."
The case concerned a Maui, Hawaii wastewater treatment plant that pumped around four million gallons of sewage a day into groundwater, where some of it reached the Pacific Ocean.

The U.S. Supreme Court also announced they will hear the Trump tax returns (release of) case on May 12.
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Luckily for all. Courts have been in Trump's favor so far. There is good and bad in the culture of lawsuits - "Caution, content's hot" is just an example. Customer's liability. And it comes with TV watching and media consumption too. Trump evidently counted on people not injecting desinfectants at home. So why are media forcing this on us. Because panic, outrage and conflicts sell, so they engineer them. Trump engineers controversion, too, free media space. I have always said this.
""Caution, content's hot" is just an example." Actually it is not a good example of a frivolous law suit.
It was brought by a lady who suffered third-degree burns (the most serious kind) and required skin grafts on her inner thighs and elsewhere after spilling coffee while opening the lid of a coffee cup to add cream and sugar.

Note: McDonald’s operations manual required the franchisee to hold its coffee at 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit. Coffee at that temperature, if spilled, causes third-degree burns in three to seven seconds.
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Largely conservative and nationalistic?
A part of it, yes. Either one, or both. The majority, I think - largely reasonable and maybe patriotic too, why not. There's a difference between nationalism and patriotism. But they have their oddballs too, I agree.

I admire their direct democracy and culture of debate in politics, lack of media sensationalism, common sense and the deep desire to respect and even help other people too. From an immigrant pov (I hesitate to call myself an expat, though probably that's the more accurate term) there's no other place I wish I were for the time being.
They're not perfect, nothing is perfect but that wasn't my point and you know it.
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""Caution, content's hot" is just an example." Actually it is not a good example of a frivolous law suit.
It was brought by a lady who suffered third-degree burns (the most serious kind) and required skin grafts on her inner thighs and elsewhere after spilling coffee while opening the lid of a coffee cup to add cream and sugar.

Note: McDonald’s operations manual required the franchisee to hold its coffee at 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit. Coffee at that temperature, if spilled, causes third-degree burns in three to seven seconds.
It's not so hot. So example, espresso needs a temperature of about 95 degrees (200 Fahrenheit).
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Is It Ethical for Psychologists to Diagnose Trump Without Having Ever Met Him?

Experts Report: Patrick Corrigan, Distinguished Professor of Psychology

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The American Psychiatric Association came up with a rule called the Goldwater Rule, which said that psychiatrists should not diagnose or give other opinions about a person in the public life unless they specifically interviewed them in a diagnostic way. In the last few years, because Donald Trump tends to push the envelope a bit, mental health professionals wondered if the Goldwater Rule should be ignored, and to that end mental health providers are coming out and giving their opinions.

The problem is that our opinion should be based on some sense of science, not some external motivation. Totally absent from this is any kind of interviews with Donald Trump.

The second issue—“Is he crazy?” and “Is he mentally ill?”—in general is a problem because my other area of interest is stigma, the degree to which we believe people with mental illness are incompetent and therefore should rob opportunities from them. I think it’s an egregious sin for society to believe anybody diagnosed with something like schizophrenia are incapable of going to school or working independently. They can be the epitome of crazy and we should not use that term as a reason to take away opportunities for them.

The third problem is diagnosis is fundamentally a health and wellness issue not an incompetence and send-you-out issue.

Another concern is I question the motivation of a lot of these people doing this. I don’t think they’re necessarily doing it for the altruistic non-political reason of helping the country decide this; I think either they have a political agenda or they’re looking for the recognition of coming public with this.

Finally, removing the president is not something that falls to mental health professionals. It falls to either the cabinet, depending on the 25th Amendment, or Congress itself, and that’s a process.

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Is it also unethical for people to refer to someone like Hitler as a psychopath without ever having met him?

Anyone with a basic understanding of the diagnostic criteria for psychopathy and/or narcissism would know their symptoms / characteristics. My best friend is a professor of psychology and once told me that someone I know had the characteristics of a psychopath due to their behavior. That wasn't a formal diagnosis on her part. It was more a reflection of the fact that she understands the diagnostic criteria (e.g. as laid out in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders).
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The best quote from this discussion, thank you

He wasn't in a locker room this time

''. It is what media gives them. ''

no, it is what Trumps gives the media. He might be gone soon, but we are in the middle of a serious pandemic. Anyone with a brain addressing the nation in such a crisis, would not throw about stupid possible solutions as he mentionned. He could have mentionned this in private- but he did NOT:
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Is it also unethical for people to refer to someone like Hitler as a psychopath without ever having met him?

Anyone with a basic understanding of the diagnostic criteria for psychopathy and/or narcissism would know their symptoms / characteristics. My best friend is a professor of psychology and once told me that someone I know had the characteristics of a psychopath due to their behavior. That wasn't a formal diagnosis on her part. It was more a reflection of the fact that she understands the diagnostic criteria (e.g. as laid out in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders).
How detrimental and stigmatizing such media or online campaign and "diagnoses" are I heard from my best friend, who is a lawyer
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Interesting. I know Corrigan‘s work - he‘s done great work on the pervasiveness of mental illness stigma.

Personally, I think Trump is a narcissist and a con man - I don‘t think he is as mentally ill as amoral and self serving. And understands the value of distraction. He’s unifit to lead anything except himself to the bathroom, by virtue of character, not illness.

When I worked in the US, my employer (a state Uni) built a new hospital. One of the nursing directors, all excited about new things and new technology and stuff for the patients (kids), told a journalism student in an interview that they were spending money like water. It was a stupid remark, especially since it was a state/public institution, and the student, sensing an opportunity ran with the story as an example of waste. it created a giant mess. Eventually it died down, but I thought of it in light of Trump’s off the cuff remarks. So when you’re in the public eye, you need to be careful. This happens to US politicians all the time. Sometimes it’s a good thing other times not. And even journalism students know to pounce.
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