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How detrimental and stigmatizing such media or online campaign and "diagnoses" are I heard from my best friend, who is a lawyer
Right. As though lawyers are the most ethical creatures. I guess your friend probably thinks that Germans shouldn't have been mentioning Hitler's psychopathy during WWII either (and they didn't... and look where that got them).

Of course, all Trump-supporters would love it if everyone just ignored Trump's continuous lies, blame-shifting, and bullying, etc. But I'm sorry, I think that only a complete idiot would play "deaf, dumb and blind" to his behavior.

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I don't. Lot of people I know don't. Lot of other media do not. Because it is reductionist. While thinking Trump has many flaws, probably not more than other people to be statistical, still - the game that media play is demonizing one personality, giving him that much impact over others. Trump isn't the problem while everyone impersonalized all US and world troubles in Trump. I don't care one bit for him, I like how he doesn't care for conventions, he has drive and energy. But having so many people believe that he is that one big problem - he is not. And he will be gone soon and it will become obvious. Yet that mindset of either loving or dissing that one overpowering iconic persona that either saves or wrecks the world, will stick. It is what people as media consumers want. It is what media gives them.
For this reason I kind of hope Joe Biden wins - it will be much more entertaining to watch how the media handles him.
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Right. As though lawyers are the most ethical creatures.
That's a very strange emotional outburst. Why assume that some of them aren't? In the same logic you could also assume that all presidents must be jackasses and all their supporters are unhealthy individuals one way or another. Thankfully we know what they say about assumptions.
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For this reason I kind of hope Joe Biden wins - it will be much more entertaining to watch how the media handles him.
If Trump wins, he might learn to quit shortchanging the world on proper campaigning. He should (and his opponents) quit FB and Twitter that are cashing in on his controversy while manipulating people's opinion. I think that's why Trump is deliberately entertaining and controversial, to squat those media for free.

Biden? I want Crenshaw.
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How detrimental and stigmatizing such media or online campaign and "diagnoses" are I heard from my best friend, who is a lawyer
Heard a different story from my invisible friend, God, who trumps your lawyer (deliberate pun)
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Precisely the same reasoning which is prevalent among most of the anti Trump hysteria. What else, I didn't bundle my cardboard properly?
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That's a very strange emotional outburst. Why assume that some of them aren't? In the same logic you could also assume that all presidents must be jackasses and all their supporters are unhealthy individuals one way or another. Thankfully we know what they say about assumptions.
It wasn't an emotional outburst. I don't know why you would think that it was. It was simply pointing out the fact that lawyers are known for having sketchy ethics (as an example, the ones who defend serial killers and rapists, etc).

You had written: "How detrimental and stigmatizing such media or online campaign and "diagnoses" are I heard from my best friend, who is a lawyer "

Are you not implying there, that your lawyer friend believes that everyone should just ignore Trump's behavior? Because that's how I interpreted it -- that your friend thinks everyone should just automatically condone his behavior rather than openly criticizing it. That it should all be "hush hush" because it's "detrimental and stigmatizing" to acknowledge when a world leader exhibits traits of psychopathy.
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Precisely the same reasoning which is prevalent among most of the anti Trump hysteria. What else, I didn't bundle my cardboard properly?
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It wasn't an emotional outburst. I don't know why you would think that it was. It was simply pointing out the fact that lawyers are known for having sketchy ethics (as an example, the ones who defend serial killers and rapists, etc).
That's an absurd statement. Doesn't everyone have the right to be defended? And isn't everyone innocent until proven guilty?
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It wasn't an emotional outburst. I don't know why you would think that it was. It was simply pointing out the fact that lawyers are known for having sketchy ethics (as an example, the ones who defend serial killers and rapists, etc).

You had written: "How detrimental and stigmatizing such media or online campaign and "diagnoses" are I heard from my best friend, who is a lawyer "

Are you not implying there, that your lawyer friend believes that everyone should just ignore Trump's behavior? Because that's how I interpreted it -- that your friend thinks everyone should just automatically condone his behavior rather than openly criticizing it. That it should all be "hush hush" because it's "detrimental and stigmatizing" to acknowledge when a world leader exhibits traits of psychopathy.
I think accusing people of emotional outbursts is a way to say "I really don't like you having an opinion on that" or "I don't like your opinion". I might be wrong, but that's my emotional outburst for you.
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If Trump wins, he might learn to quit shortchanging the world on proper campaigning. He should (and his opponents) quit FB and Twitter that are cashing in on his controversy while manipulating people's opinion. I think that's why Trump is deliberately entertaining and controversial, to squat those media for free.

Biden? I want Crenshaw.
I had hoped that Trump's behavior was just a show and that after he got elected he'd act like a grown-up and not embarrass the office of POTUS. But no, he loves the attention and the media on both left and right are all to happy to give it to him with their various spins.

You can't have Crenshaw vs Trump, they're from the same party and Trump is already the nominee (essentially, not official until the convention). You might get Crenshaw vs Ivanka or Jared in 2024 tho. I think Trump, Jr. wants a piece of the pie too.

The choices this year are Biden and Trump. Or Biden's VP pick and Trump if you want to be honest about it. Debates will be interesting.
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If Trump wins, he might learn to quit shortchanging the world on proper campaigning. He should (and his opponents) quit FB and Twitter that are cashing in on his controversy while manipulating people's opinion. I think that's why Trump is deliberately entertaining and controversial, to squat those media for free.

Biden? I want Crenshaw.
Trump Might Learn?

You find him entertaining, I find him detrimental - but we all have our opinions, no?

As for Crenshaw, he'd have to replace Trump. And there will be some discussion about whether or not he is a "natural born citizen" and thus able to run. Perhaps in another cycle.


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That's an absurd statement. Doesn't everyone have the right to be defended? And isn't everyone innocent until proven guilty?
Sure. But do you think that someone who is trying to prevent a rapist or child murderer from being punished or sentenced is being ethical? Even in cases where there is a huge amount of evidence against the defendant, their attorneys often still work to try to get them acquitted.

There is also a Wikipedia page titled "attorney misconduct"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney_misconduct

You can't deny that some lawyers will abandon or sacrifice their ethics for money. Maybe it's just me, but I personally can't even imagine working to try to prevent a child killer or serial rapist from being sentenced to prison despite all the evidence against them.
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Precisely the same reasoning which is prevalent among most of the anti Trump hysteria. What else, I didn't bundle my cardboard properly?
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The older three are old enough to run, as is Kushner. I'd actually be surprised if one of them didn't run next time. LOL and to think people were freaked out about Chelsea Clinton at one point because of a "dynasty".

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I have serious doubts that Music Chick and LiB are even allowed to be mods. We all know a mod should live in Switzerland but for all we know, they may residing in another country. Where’s the proof? I won’t accept them as mods until I see proof.
I took that comment ^^^ as a joke in reference to Trump and other Republicans accusing Obama of having not been born in the US, in an attempt to render his presidency illegitimate and relentlessly demanding that he provide a copy of his birth certificate (Obama was in fact born in Hawaii). But maybe I need more coffee.
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That's an absurd statement. Doesn't everyone have the right to be defended? And isn't everyone innocent until proven guilty?
Apparently not. And lawyers seem to have bad karma assigned....until one needs them, n'est pas.
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The older three are old enough to run, as is Kushner. I'd actually be surprised if one of them didn't run next time. LOL and to think people were freaked out about Chelsea Clinton at one point because of a "dynasty".

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The choices this year are Biden and Trump.
I know that Crenshaw can't do it now. I seriously doubt Biden will make it. If he does, Crenshaw will have it easier. I don't have any stakes in it, but Trump another term and Crenshaw right after could keep our situation here stable, imho.
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Apparently not. And lawyers seem to have bad karma assigned....until one needs them, n'est pas.
No, it's just a career that is a bit infamous for being 'seedy.' I'm sure there are plenty of decent lawyers out there, like the ones who defend innocent people, such as rape victims, etc.
Coincidentally, in that Trump documentary on Netflix that I watched recently, there is one part that talks about how, back in the 70s and 80s, Trump used a lawyer who represented "mob bosses" to try to threaten anyone who went against him, including banks when Trump was defaulting on his loans. Roy Cohn was his name, and he was Trump's lawyer back then. He was also Trump's mentor.
"In 1986, Cohn was disbarred from the Appellate Division of the New York State Supreme Court for unethical conduct after attempting to defraud a dying client by forcing the client to sign a will amendment leaving him his fortune."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Cohn
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