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Old 25.04.2020, 16:06
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Trolls- enough. Perhaps other Mods should decide who the trolls are here, hell bent on stirring. I am out of here too.
I'm not trolling. I simply stated the obvious why some would consider his upbringing as dubious and thus, requesting a birth certificate. I'm just here for an open debate, it's EF's Anti Trump delegation getting their woolen panties in a bunch.
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you accused us/others of trolling ...
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So you think that women should be grabbed by the p***ies? And you think that men who are serving as the President of the United States should be talking about grabbing women by the p***ies? You also have no problem with him saying that all Mexican immigrants are rapists and murderers?
So to talk about 'grabbing women by the pussy' I understand it's crude but I don't really see anything wrong with it given that it was a supposedly private chat between men and I don't believe he meant he literally gropes women by their groins.

Mexico has a lot of crime and he was highlighting the problems illegal immigrants bring with them and he said some are good people. Not the best choice of words but it is what it is.
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Old 25.04.2020, 16:19
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Unfounded, let's see:
-Obama was born to an American mother and an African father who was in the States on a scholarship
-His parents met in a Russian language class.
-A few weeks after his birth, he and his mother moved to Seattle.
-From age 6-10, he lived in Indonesia because his mother divorced his estranged father (weird because she left Hawaii shortly after he was born) and married an Indonesian national) who studied in Hawaii.

Absolutely unfounded, huh.
How is any of that spotty?
He had an African father, but so did the 37 Million African Americans?

His parents met in a Russian language class; did you know according to the US census 879,434 people speak Russian as their main language at home.

I agree that moving to Seattle is very spotty

His mother divorced his estranged father; how many times did Trump get divorced?
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Old 25.04.2020, 16:27
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How is any of that spotty?
He had an African father, but so did the 37 Million African Americans?

His parents met in a Russian language class; did you know according to the US census 879,434 people speak Russian as their main language at home.

I agree that moving to Seattle is very spotty

His mother divorced his estranged father; how many times did Trump get divorced?
African Americans don't have an African father.

How many of those 880k people speaking Russian in the U.S. are Africans on a scholarship?

She moved to Seattle a few weeks after he was born, without the biological father. His mother divorced his biological father after she returned to Hawaii from Seattle, before she got married to Lolo Soetoro.

What's not spotty about this?
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Old 25.04.2020, 16:41
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So to talk about 'grabbing women by the pussy' I understand it's crude but I don't really see anything wrong with it given that it was a supposedly private chat between men and I don't believe he meant he literally gropes women by their groins.

Mexico has a lot of crime and he was highlighting the problems illegal immigrants bring with them and he said some are good people. Not the best choice of words but it is what it is.
If you think there is nothing wrong with a grown man talking about "grabbing women by the pussies," then that is a reflection of your own lack of integrity.
But that's what his supporters do -- they ignore and/or try to defend his behavior because having to acknowledge it as being wrong goes against their confirmation bias, which in turn creates cognitive dissonance. It's like trying to convince a Jihadist that perhaps their god or those seven virgins waiting for them in heaven do not exist. They are unable to accept it because it contradicts their perception and mental construct of reality.

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Who’s to judge how he’s “supposed” to be taken? All that matters is what is and what isn’t. The press lose their minds with their faux concern about poor, gullible Donald Trump supporters about to kill themselves by injecting themselves with bleach all the time playing completely into his hands. The more outlandish thing Trump says, the more crazier the response from the press. It works for him every single time!

All the time Donald Trump supporters are laughing because their can see exactly what is happening. You may learn, one day.
What works for him? Press coverage?

What exactly do you think the Trump supporters see that non-Trump supporters do not? What will we all learn?

Enlighten us. I shall fetch popcorn.

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He's doing a much better job than his predecessor.
Is he? How's that then.

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I'm not trolling. I simply stated the obvious why some would consider his upbringing as dubious and thus, requesting a birth certificate. I'm just here for an open debate, it's EF's Anti Trump delegation getting their woolen panties in a bunch.

It's not "stating the obvious" it's stating your opinion. Though the point is probably moot as he was PoTUS already.

You're very aggressive towards anyone with an alternative viewpoint.

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So to talk about 'grabbing women by the pussy' I understand it's crude but I don't really see anything wrong with it given that it was a supposedly private chat between men and I don't believe he meant he literally gropes women by their groins.

Mexico has a lot of crime and he was highlighting the problems illegal immigrants bring with them and he said some are good people. Not the best choice of words but it is what it is.
He's a dangerous connected very wealthy man who has never had any boundaries or restrictions on him, he seems to believe he can buy anything.

Folk didn't believe Weinstein was a long term abuser of women either.

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African Americans don't have an African father.
Haha, agree with this one. It must be the "African" thing in the name. Why not simply Americans - never understood identity politics but whatevs.

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How many of those 880k people speaking Russian in the U.S. are Africans on a scholarship?

She moved to Seattle a few weeks after he was born, without the biological father. His mother divorced his biological father after she returned to Hawaii from Seattle, before she got married to Lolo Soetoro.

What's not spotty about this?
So what's your opinion on this one? Was he born there or not or..?
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African Americans don't have an African father.
Um...


Are you saying a person can only be African American if the father is African?

You know a child born in the US automatically has citizenship, yes? There's a term called "anchor babies " I believe. I know Trump wanted to end this but don't know if the legislation passed.
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If you think there is nothing wrong with a grown man talking about "grabbing women by the pussies," then that is a reflection of your own lack of integrity.
It was immature and crude and I wouldn't say it, but I don't think he meant it literally so I don't see it as such a big deal. It's not a dealbreaker.

Had he meant he sexually assaults women by grabbing their groins then completely different story, but I don't think he did.
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It was immature and crude and I wouldn't say it, but I don't think he meant it literally so I don't see it as such a big deal. It's not a dealbreaker.

Had he meant he sexually assaults women by grabbing their groins then completely different story, but I don't think he did.
How do you (collective, not singular) grab a women's groin (unless explicitly permitted) in a way that isn't sexual assault?
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If you think there is nothing wrong with a grown man talking about "grabbing women by the pussies," then that is a reflection of your own lack of integrity.
But that's what his supporters do -- they ignore and/or try to defend his behavior because having to acknowledge it as being wrong goes against their confirmation bias, which in turn creates cognitive dissonance. It's like trying to convince a Jihadist that perhaps their god or those seven virgins waiting for them in heaven do not exist. They are unable to accept it because it contradicts their perception and mental construct of reality.

The Confirmation Bias: Why People See What They Want to See
https://effectiviology.com/confirmation-bias/
Sadly one thing this thread has proved is that there is really no end to the lengths Trump fanbois will go to to excuse him or accept his behavour. No matter how dangerous or unacceptable.
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How do you (collective, not singular) grab a women's groin (unless explicitly permitted) in a way that isn't sexual assault?
Of course it's sexual assault, but I don't think he was saying that he literally walks up to women and grabs them by the groin.
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It was immature and crude and I wouldn't say it, but I don't think he meant it literally so I don't see it as such a big deal. It's not a dealbreaker.

Had he meant he sexually assaults women by grabbing their groins then completely different story, but I don't think he did.

So do you believe the women in this article or is it all fake news and women are liars! Or just not a big deal. Says a great deal about your ethics and morals


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9149216.html
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Of course it's sexual assault, but I don't think he was saying that he literally walks up to women and grabs them by the groin.
See what I mean?
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African Americans don't have an African father.

How many of those 880k people speaking Russian in the U.S. are Africans on a scholarship?

She moved to Seattle a few weeks after he was born, without the biological father. His mother divorced his biological father after she returned to Hawaii from Seattle, before she got married to Lolo Soetoro.

What's not spotty about this?
Maybe you should define what you mean by spotty?

She did indeed move to Seattle a few weeks after he was born, without the biological father. Due to her pregnancy, she had dropped out of the University of Hawaii. She was able to restart her studies after Obama's birth at the University of Washington in Seattle. Obama's father continued his university course in Hawaii. Sound like the parents did their best in difficult circumstances.
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So do you believe the women in this article or is it all fake news and women are liars! Or just not a big deal. Says a great deal about your ethics and morals

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9149216.html
I honestly don't know, if Trump ever did sexually abuse any of them I would hope he has the book thrown at him, but he has never been convicted.
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Of course it's sexual assault, but I don't think he was saying that he literally walks up to women and grabs them by the groin.
And I think it was more than "just" despicable locker-room type "bantz" so there we are. Trump no doubt views certain swathes of society (most of it) as lesser and therefore a target for anything.
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So after he grabs their groin baboon, then what? Is he then satisfied and just walks away? Do the women not scream and make a scene?
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So after he grabs their groin baboon, then what? Is he then satisfied and just walks away? Do the women not scream and make a scene?
Lots of different reactions to assault. One is to freeze absolutely. So, no, not every woman would. And that is a perfectly valid response.
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