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The WHO has behaved disgracefully and has been an accessory to this disaster. They took the Chinese line in the crucial weeks of January and spread their lies (reported that their was no human to human transmission, refrained from declaring a health emergency of international concern until Jan 30th). Even when they did admit to transmission was taking place, they played down its severity. The WHO then advised AGAINST travel bans.

Various countries is also a stretch. Taiwan reported their first cases of Coronavirus on Jan 21st but were never consulted by the WHO because China.

The charge list is long and will be longer once an official inquiry takes place. They are not to blame for everything, but have have failed miserably.
Maybe they need to improve their activity too but what's the point of cutting funds during the pandemic? I find it very vindictive in the worst possible moment. And counter-productive.
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Terrible because the US's travel ban was so successful, wasn't it?

Remind me again, how many cases there?

Travel bans were never going to work because they never applied to and couldn't apply to returning nationals. Pretty well no country has the legal power to ban its own nationals for entering. It was always infinitely more returning nationals that transmitted the virus, not Chinese visitors.
It was such a successful idea that now about 90% of the World's population is living under some sort of travel restriction and borders have been closed all over the place

Travel bans would have worked if they had been implemented in time. One of the reasons they weren't implemented in time is because the WHO didn't warn the world in time! Tracing and quarantining of returning nationals has worked in several countries.
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It was such a successful idea that now about 90% of the World's population is living under some sort of travel restriction and borders have been closed all over the place

Travel bans would have worked if they had been implemented in time. One of the reasons they weren't implemented in time is because the WHO didn't warn the world in time! Tracing and quarantining of returning nationals has worked in several countries.
I think it's wrong to critizice the WHO so fast. It's a highly complex topic, and nobody here seems to be either an epidemiologist or virologist, or have first-hand knowledge of the topic. What we DO know is that the information should have come from China first, where the first cases were identified, and they lied and covered things up, making the WHO's job much more difficult.
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Asking a question is not the same as believing something to be true.

The real question behind those calls however is what caused that perception. It may be unanswerable but clearly lies in headlines claiming that "Trump suggests injecting disinfectants to fight the Coronavirus" or some such doesn't help.

Quite the contrary.
But he asked the question, in his role as POTUS, on a world stage. That is the issue. And it is still the issue whether one has seen the headlines or not.

Trump should not have asked /suggested / hinted at disinfectants in relation to Covid 19 at all. That is what caused this "perception". It baffles me that anyone could see this in any other way: Trump mused out loud without thought to the consequences.
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...Trump mused out loud without thought to the consequences.
Now there's a shocker. Part of me wonders though, surely he knew that the media would go nuts with it, thereby strengthening his argument that the MSM is biased and such? It fits rather nicely into his narrative about the "system" being rigged against him...
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Old 27.04.2020, 13:14
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It was such a successful idea that now about 90% of the World's population is living under some sort of travel restriction and borders have been closed all over the place

Travel bans would have worked if they had been implemented in time. One of the reasons they weren't implemented in time is because the WHO didn't warn the world in time! Tracing and quarantining of returning nationals has worked in several countries.
Actually the WHO did warn the world in time.
It was only the US who missed the train despite their own intelligence agencies who were warning Trump in 2019. Of course, Trump prefers to make decisions based on gut feel instead of relying on his world's best intelligence agencies.
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Loving this message of unity and bipartisanship during a time of national crisis,

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Why should the people and taxpayers of America be bailing out poorly run states (like Illinois, as example) and cities, in all cases Democrat run and managed, when most of the other states are not looking for bailout help? I am open to discussing anything, but just asking?
4:41 PM · Apr 27, 2020·
Incidentally, Illinois paid the fifth-highest amount of federal taxes, number one and two were California and New York.

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Loving this message of unity and bipartisanship during a time of national crisis,



Incidentally, Illinois paid the fifth-highest amount of federal taxes, number one and two were California and New York.

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He’s a tiresome, petty little man. Divide and distract.
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Now there's a shocker. Part of me wonders though, surely he knew that the media would go nuts with it, thereby strengthening his argument that the MSM is biased and such? It fits rather nicely into his narrative about the "system" being rigged against him...
He's a manipulative sod so... who knows how his brain works.
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He’s a tiresome, petty little man.
And yet people vote for him. Believe in him. Despite the landslide of evidence that he's very awful.
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New Supreme Court ruling today represents a loss for the Trump administration and congressional Republicans.
Congress must keep its promise to give insurers billions of dollars in unpaid ObamaCare funds, re. the $12 billion risk corridor program.

Republicans called the program an insurer "bailout," and introduced measures that prohibited the use of taxpayer dollars to fund the program.

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Hopefully will lead to a reduction in Obamacare premiums.
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He's a manipulative sod so... who knows how his brain works.
some have made a specific study- it is very concerning

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New Supreme Court ruling today represents a loss for the Trump administration and congressional Republicans...
Wow, 8-1. I didn't expect to see such a ruling with the current composition of this court!
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Wow, 8-1. I didn't expect to see such a ruling with the current composition of this court!
Me2, I thought Trump had packed it with fans.
Thanks for mentioning.
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It was such a successful idea that now about 90% of the World's population is living under some sort of travel restriction and borders have been closed all over the place

Travel bans would have worked if they had been implemented in time. One of the reasons they weren't implemented in time is because the WHO didn't warn the world in time! Tracing and quarantining of returning nationals has worked in several countries.
The WHO was trying to warn the world in January, after sending a team of scientists to Wuhan to investigate the virus. That same month, they issued lengthy documents to governments and various medical organizations, serving as warnings by informing them that the virus was (quote) "of international concern," etc.
Most world leaders were paying attention. Trump, on the other hand, in February, chose to ignore the WHO's warnings and told Americans that the virus was "no big deal" and would just "go away like a miracle." It's not within the WHO's power to force Trump to acknowledge a pending pandemic. It was via his own free will that he chose to ignore and downplay the reality of the situation.
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It was such a successful idea that now about 90% of the World's population is living under some sort of travel restriction and borders have been closed all over the place

Travel bans would have worked if they had been implemented in time. One of the reasons they weren't implemented in time is because the WHO didn't warn the world in time! Tracing and quarantining of returning nationals has worked in several countries.
No they wouldn't. The US experience proves the cat was well and truly out of the bag before anyone realised what was really happening. The point you continue to ignore is that it was massively returning nationals that brought the virus back.

The WHO did, however, push very strongly for intensive testing and tracing. Something the experience of Korea and Taiwan (2 countries physically close to the epicentre and with high levels of travel to China) shows clearly would have worked. But apparently too much bother for anyone else to follow.
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The WHO was trying to warn the world in January, after sending a team of scientists to Wuhan to investigate the virus. That same month, they issued lengthy documents to governments and various medical organizations, serving as warnings by informing them that the virus was (quote) "of international concern," etc.
Most world leaders were paying attention. Trump, on the other hand, in February, chose to ignore the WHO's warnings and told Americans that the virus was "no big deal" and would just "go away like a miracle." It's not within the WHO's power to force Trump to acknowledge a pending pandemic. It was via his own free will that he chose to ignore and downplay the reality of the situation.
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Politics trumps science (intentional pun)
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The Trump administration abruptly cut off funding for a project studying how coronaviruses spread from bats to people after reports linked the work to a lab in Wuhan, China, at the center of conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 pandemic’s origins.

The National Institutes of Health on Friday told EcoHealth Alliance, the study’s sponsor for the past five years, that all future funding was cut.
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Meanwhile, Trump on Monday acknowledged more Americans would die of the coronavirus than he has recently predicted, now saying that the nationwide toll is likely to be between 60,000 and 70,000.
With US deaths touching 58,000 and some States cutting lockdown prematurely it will be a challenge to meet this forecast.
Likely the sad total of 60,000 deaths will be reached on Wednesday.
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I think it's wrong to critizice the WHO so fast. It's a highly complex topic, and nobody here seems to be either an epidemiologist or virologist, or have first-hand knowledge of the topic. What we DO know is that the information should have come from China first, where the first cases were identified, and they lied and covered things up, making the WHO's job much more difficult.
It's wrong to criticise an organisation that's found time to consult Lady Gaga during a worldwide pandemic?

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/03/2...irus-pandemic/
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It's wrong to criticise an organisation that's found time to consult Lady Gaga during a worldwide pandemic?

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/03/2...irus-pandemic/
I didn't see any mention of "consulting" in that article. Nothing more than publicity that could potentially reach new donors.
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