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Old 28.04.2020, 10:37
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that could potentially reach new donors.
And therein lies the issue. Like the UN, the WHO has become too focused on pleasing its financial backers rather than concentrating on the job they're supposed to be doing. It's why they gave Robert Mugabe the role of Goodwill Ambassador, and it's why Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus refuses to criticise China as he's their useful idiot and who is in the job largely thanks to Chinese backing.
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Old 28.04.2020, 12:03
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It's wrong to criticise an organisation that's found time to consult Lady Gaga during a worldwide pandemic?

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/03/2...irus-pandemic/
Lady Gaga raised $35M for WHO this year so of course they talk to her
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Old 28.04.2020, 12:26
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Lady Gaga raised $35M for WHO this year so of course they talk to her
Yes, and that's the very problem with "Global Governance" organisations is that people who end up running them are not people that you can vote for or remove. Lobbyists end up owning them which is why Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus thought it necessary to speak to Lady Gaga. The UN, the WHO, the EU, FIFA, all the same and all need consigning to the dust bin!
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Old 28.04.2020, 12:28
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And therein lies the issue. Like the UN, the WHO has become too focused on pleasing its financial backers rather than concentrating on the job they're supposed to be doing. It's why they gave Robert Mugabe the role of Goodwill Ambassador, and it's why Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus refuses to criticise China as he's their useful idiot and who is in the job largely thanks to Chinese backing.
Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is not medically qualified so it is much better he spends his time raising money instead of copying Trump and sticking ignorant fingers into matters he is not capable of understanding.
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Old 28.04.2020, 12:31
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Yes, and that's the very problem with "Global Governance" organisations is that people who end up running them are not people that you can vote for or remove. Lobbyists end up owning them which is why Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus thought it necessary to speak to Lady Gaga. The UN, the WHO, the EU, FIFA, all the same and all need consigning to the dust bin!
Good, you make these fact-free diatribes, it would be very difficult to answer you if you posted facts supported by credible sources.
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It's wrong to criticise an organisation that's found time to consult Lady Gaga during a worldwide pandemic?

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/03/2...irus-pandemic/
Tony, your whatabout-ism argument makes me feel like I have to explain something you already know. The article you linked is dated March 29, the same week Lady Gaga announced that she had raised and was donating US$35'000'000 to COVID-relief efforts by the WHO. The WHO Director General would spend a few minutes on the phone with ANY donor who offered 35 million. She raised, through a single concert, 1.5% of the WHO's yearly budget.

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Tony, your whatabout-ism argument makes me feel like I have to explain something you already know. The article you linked is dated March 29, the same week Lady Gaga announced that she had raised and was donating US$35'000'000 to COVID-relief efforts by the WHO. The WHO Director General would spend a few minutes on the phone with ANY donor who offered 35 million. She raised, through a single concert, 1.5% of the WHO's yearly budget.

I want to smoke what you're smoking, buddy.
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Old 28.04.2020, 14:35
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Tony, your whatabout-ism argument makes me feel like I have to explain something you already know. The article you linked is dated March 29, the same week Lady Gaga announced that she had raised and was donating US$35'000'000 to COVID-relief efforts by the WHO. The WHO Director General would spend a few minutes on the phone with ANY donor who offered 35 million. She raised, through a single concert, 1.5% of the WHO's yearly budget.

I want to smoke what you're smoking, buddy.
If you think that excuses it, then that's your choice as is your view that the WHO are above criticism. I'll carry on smoking what I have thanks, as an increasing number of people dig the same gear and they're reaching the limit of their patience with unaccountable organisations like that WHO!
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Old 28.04.2020, 15:19
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Yes, and that's the very problem with "Global Governance" organisations is that people who end up running them are not people that you can vote for or remove. Lobbyists end up owning them which is why Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus thought it necessary to speak to Lady Gaga. The UN, the WHO, the EU, FIFA, all the same and all need consigning to the dust bin!
By that yardstick, I think the US government belongs in the same bin.
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By that yardstick, I think the US government belongs in the same bin.
But you can still vote governments out if you're unhappy with them in the US, that was the point he was making.
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Old 28.04.2020, 15:23
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If you think that excuses it, then that's your choice as is your view that the WHO are above criticism. I'll carry on smoking what I have thanks, as an increasing number of people dig the same gear and they're reaching the limit of their patience with unaccountable organisations like that WHO!
You really have no clue!
The World Health Organisation Unified Accountability Framework
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By that yardstick, I think the US government belongs in the same bin.
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But you can still vote governments out if you're unhappy with them in the US, that was the point he was making.
Yeah.......I used to think that. Now I'm pessimistic.
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Old 28.04.2020, 15:36
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But you can still vote governments out if you're unhappy with them in the US, that was the point he was making.
Well if you want to be pedantic about this, and I do!
The ministers of the US government are nominated by the US President and you cannot vote them out.
The President himself is voted in by the electors of the Electoral College who are supposed to follow how their states voted. In the 2016 United States presidential election, seven members of the Electoral College voted for a candidate different from whom they were pledged.
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Old 28.04.2020, 16:04
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But you can still vote governments out if you're unhappy with them in the US, that was the point he was making.
I thought they didn't need to do that as they all had guns and could rise up against them.
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Well if you want to be pedantic about this, and I do!
The ministers of the US government are nominated by the US President and you cannot vote them out.
The President himself is voted in by the electors of the Electoral College who are supposed to follow how their states voted. In the 2016 United States presidential election, seven members of the Electoral College voted for a candidate different from whom they were pledged.
And the European Parliament is an elected body. Perhaps Tony is upset that he has no control over voting for EMPs from countries other than his own? (In which case, he should be concerned that he can't vote for Scottish MPs, or candidates from other constituencies.)
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But you can still vote governments out if you're unhappy with them in the US, that was the point he was making.
Yes, they'll get their chance in November. All that siding with dictatorships and incompetent and seemingly corrupt IGOs must surely pay dividends!
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WHO turned to private sponsors because governments (in particular the US) reduced funding for it even before Trump.

China donated a lot of money and guess what, WHO didn't want to alienate them.
Who could have predicted that?

I'm honestly not sure if a de-funded WHO is of any use actually (beside of course being an easy scapegoat).

IIRC, Switzerland also has to pony-up a significant amount of money because it's hq'ed in Geneva and they've got to maintain the buildings....

Ah, here it is:

https://www.admin.ch/gov/de/start/do...-id-60749.html
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WHO turned to private sponsors because governments (in particular the US) reduced funding for it even before Trump.

China donated a lot of money and guess what, WHO didn't want to alienate them.
Who could have predicted that?

I'm honestly not sure if a de-funded WHO is of any use actually (beside of course being an easy scapegoat).

IIRC, Switzerland also has to pony-up a significant amount of money because it's hq'ed in Geneva and they've got to maintain the buildings....

Ah, here it is:

https://www.admin.ch/gov/de/start/do...-id-60749.html
That says it's loans, not outright funding. But if the terms are similar to what businesses are getting now, then there's no penalty for not repaying.
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Old 28.04.2020, 19:08
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How can he be a good president without a first dog?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...have-any-time/
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