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That says it's loans, not outright funding. But if the terms are similar to what businesses are getting now, then there's no penalty for not repaying.
As I understood it, it's a loan the Bundesrat takes on and then goes and renovates the buildings.
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Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is not medically qualified so it is much better he spends his time raising money instead of copying Trump and sticking ignorant fingers into matters he is not capable of understanding.
Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is a microbiologist who has a Master of Science degree in Immunology of Infectious Diseases and a PhD in community health. So while, no, he doesn't have a "medical degree," he is qualified for the job in regard to knowledge of infectious diseases. Most microbiologists and epidemiologists do not have a medical degree in the sense that they would be able to practice medicine as a physician.
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How can he be a good president without a first dog?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...have-any-time/
Yeah.....well, dogs are good judges of character. If the first Mrs Trump’s dog didn’t like him that tells you a lot. Tells me a lot, anyway. Confirmation bias.
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Well if you want to be pedantic about this, and I do!
The ministers of the US government are nominated by the US President and you cannot vote them out.
The President himself is voted in by the electors of the Electoral College roughly half of which are supposed to follow how their states voted. In the 2016 United States presidential election, seven members of the Electoral College voted for a candidate different from whom they were pledged.
FTFY. And no, it's not a joke.

Ok, it's half the states, not necessarily half the electors. Still...
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Back in post 9990, I wrote "Like World War 1 generals, Trump will be living a long way away from any mayhem caused by his decisions".

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President Trump plans to sign an executive order Tuesday that would use the Defense Production Act to compel meat processing plants to stay open by designating them as critical infrastructure, according to a senior administration official.

The decision to issue the order comes after the chairman of Tyson Foods warned that the nation’s food supply chain was “breaking” as a result of the coronavirus outbreak, which has forced food processing plants to close and raised concerns about shortages.
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Who cares about worker safety?
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...as is your view that the WHO are above criticism.
I don't think that they are above criticism; I don't think anyone is above criticism. But I do think that they are above criticism from the average Joe (no offense). It's no different from criticising CERN if you know nothing about particle physics, and go only by hearsay and mainstream media's editorials (which published and repeated things about creating black holes when the LHC was starting it up back in 2008/2009). Public health is an incredibly complex topic, and not something to take as lightly as reviewing a blender, so I look for facts in criticism, not personal opinion and feelings.
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I don't think that they are above criticism; I don't think anyone is above criticism. But I do think that they are above criticism from the average Joe (no offense). It's no different from criticising CERN if you know nothing about particle physics, and go only by hearsay and mainstream media's editorials (which published and repeated things about creating black holes when the LHC was starting it up back in 2008/2009). Public health is an incredibly complex topic, and not something to take as lightly as reviewing a blender, so I look for facts in criticism, not personal opinion and feelings.
The fact that the WHO Director General nominated Robert Mugabe as a Goodwill Ambassador wasn't enough to send alarm bells ringing as to the type of person the Director General is and how politicized and organisation the WHO is?

I think the pedestal you've placed the experts on is also somewhat misplaced, considering how many of their predictions have proven to be so fallacious regarding the Coronavirus pandemic. Being an expert in a field is one thing, critical thinking is something else entirely, and a skill that many experts appear to lack.
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I think the pedestal you've placed the experts on is also somewhat misplaced, considering how many of their predictions have proven to be so fallacious regarding the Coronavirus pandemic.
Like what? Oh and serious experts only please.

Then we'll have fun comparing it to Trump's predictions.
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The fact that the WHO Director General nominated Robert Mugabe as a Goodwill Ambassador wasn't enough to send alarm bells ringing as to the type of person the Director General is and how politicized and organisation the WHO is?

I think the pedestal you've placed the experts on is also somewhat misplaced, considering how many of their predictions have proven to be so fallacious regarding the Coronavirus pandemic. Being an expert in a field is one thing, critical thinking is something else entirely, and a skill that many experts appear to lack.
A misplaced pedestal? LOL! Talk about mixing metaphors into an incomprehensible mess

When you start making fact-free sweeping statements about experts you just expose your own biases.
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Old 29.04.2020, 11:22
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Meanwhile back to Trump, President Trump’s approval rating for his handling of the coronavirus dropped 10 points from last month after an initial bump, according to a new Emerson College poll. Thirty-nine percent of those surveyed approved of Trump’s efforts to tackle the outbreak, a drop from 49 percent last month.

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US now has over one million reported virus cases and over fifty-nine thousand deaths with almost two and a half thousand deaths reported yesterday.
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I think the pedestal you've placed the experts on is also somewhat misplaced, considering how many of their predictions have proven to be so fallacious regarding the Coronavirus pandemic. Being an expert in a field is one thing, critical thinking is something else entirely, and a skill that many experts appear to lack.
Funny that this post appears here, in a thread about someone who is neither a critical thinker nor an expert on much of anything beyond self promotion.

Experts require data, and critical thinkers update their predictions. Unfortunately a lot of the necessary data was initially ignored or not forth coming. So models sucked.

But everyone has made errors here...no one belongs on a pedestal - they all need to be on equal ground, sharing data and collaborating.
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The fact that the WHO Director General nominated Robert Mugabe as a Goodwill Ambassador wasn't enough to send alarm bells ringing as to the type of person the Director General is and how politicized and organisation the WHO is?

I think the pedestal you've placed the experts on is also somewhat misplaced, considering how many of their predictions have proven to be so fallacious regarding the Coronavirus pandemic. Being an expert in a field is one thing, critical thinking is something else entirely, and a skill that many experts appear to lack.
I saw this a wk ago. What do you think about it? WHO and conflict of interests?

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/...on-coronavirus
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I saw this a wk ago. What do you think about it? WHO and conflict of interests?

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/...on-coronavirus
Where is the "conflict of interests"?
Youtube announced they will remove anything that is “medically unsubstantiated.”
I hope if people come on EF promoting disinfectant injections to cure the virus their posts will also be removed.
As a moderator, what is your position on EF promoting disinfectant injections?

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I think the pedestal you've placed the experts on is also somewhat misplaced, considering how many of their predictions have proven to be so fallacious regarding the Coronavirus pandemic. Being an expert in a field is one thing, critical thinking is something else entirely, and a skill that many experts appear to lack.
TBH I haven't noticed that their predictions turned out to be "fallacious". Why assume they/people lack critical thinking?

You may criticise their politics and their manoeuvres to get funds, but I don't think they were wrong about this pandemic. Rather slow to declare it maybe.
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Old 29.04.2020, 19:13
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US Q1 2020 GDP was reported today as -4.8%; worse than most forecasts.

Nevertheless, the US stock Markets are rising rapidly despite a sea of bad news, including huge VW loss, Boeing laying off 16,000, GE profit warning......
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The fact that the WHO Director General nominated Robert Mugabe as a Goodwill Ambassador wasn't enough to send alarm bells ringing as to the type of person the Director General is and how politicized and organisation the WHO is?

I think the pedestal you've placed the experts on is also somewhat misplaced, considering how many of their predictions have proven to be so fallacious regarding the Coronavirus pandemic. Being an expert in a field is one thing, critical thinking is something else entirely, and a skill that many experts appear to lack.
I really don't know almost anything about Mugabe other than what little was covered by the press. But I have no doubt that there's a fair amount of politics at the WHO (specifically the WHA, the World Health Assembly), as it's a branch of the UN, which IS a cross-government organization. Independently of their politics, we have the WHO to thank for eliminating smallpox and polio. Not too bad in my book.

Regarding your second comment ("putting experts on a pedestal")...what can I say? It's a strawman. I never placed experts on a pedestal. What I DID do is say that I doubt you can make a serious cricitism on a complex, technical topic you have no expertise on. I sincerely apologize for this, but I find it tedious to debate with you Tony when you don't follow a logic argumentation. I'll stop following this thread for a little while.
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The fact that the WHO Director General nominated Robert Mugabe as a Goodwill Ambassador wasn't enough to send alarm bells ringing as to the type of person the Director General is and how politicized and organisation the WHO is?

I think the pedestal you've placed the experts on is also somewhat misplaced, considering how many of their predictions have proven to be so fallacious regarding the Coronavirus pandemic. Being an expert in a field is one thing, critical thinking is something else entirely, and a skill that many experts appear to lack.
Someone can be an expert in a certain field, but they are still fallible. We are all fundamentally fallible. The difference is whether or not someone is willing to admit it.
There is also a difference between placing experts on a pedestal and simply recognizing the fact that some people might be more knowledgeable than we ourselves are, in certain fields. That's why we consult our doctors, etc.
So what exactly should the WHO have done that they didn't do? They sent a team of scientists to Wuhan in January to investigate the virus immediately after the Chinese reported a strange outbreak and then issued technical guidance with advice to all countries on how to detect, test and manage potential cases, based on what was known about the virus at the time. This was before there was even one known case of COVID-19 outside of China. Then, on February 11 through 12, the WHO convened a Research and Innovation Forum on COVID-19, attended by more than 400 experts from around the world, which included presentations by George Gao, Director General of China CDC, and Zunyou Wu, China CDC's chief epidemiologist. Soon thereafter, on February 16th through the 24th, they issued a very thorough report regarding the nature of the virus and what was known at the time, as a means to issue an international warning and inform countries of the steps to be taken, etc. A copy of that report can be read here:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...rsn=fce87f4e_2
I suggest scrolling to pages 21 - 23 to read their very detailed outline, informing countries of how to test for the virus and what to do if they have a confirmed case of the virus, etc.
Meanwhile, despite the WHO's efforts to warn and inform countries of a possible pending pandemic, on February 27th (just a few days after the WHO issued it's international warning), Trump was trying to convince Americans on national television that the virus was (quote) "no big deal."
So, again... Please tell me what the WHO should have done that it didn't? Perhaps other than kicking Trump in the ass so he might have stopped lying to the American people.
So tell me exactly what the WHO should have done that it didn't do?
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So, again... Please tell me what the WHO should have done that it didn't?
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So tell me exactly what the WHO should have done that it didn't do?
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That article tells me nothing about what the WHO should have done differently. Its primary focus is on attacking China, and it is clearly encouraging hatred toward the Chinese. That was immediately apparent with the following paragraph:
"China’s leaders do not eat babies. But they do run a very repressive autocracy that banned families from having more than one child, controls citizens with the world’s most sophisticated state surveillance system, jails critics and locks up Muslim minorities in horrific prison camps."
And yet the US slowly trying to end abortion rights, Trump firing anyone he can who disagrees with him, the government using social media to feed facial recognition databases and putting Mexican immigrant children who have been separated from their parents in ICE camps is that much better?
Secondly... Trump was also praising China and its handling of the situation in Wuhan. On January 24th, Trump tweeted the following:
"“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”
So why is it, exactly, that it's okay for Trump to have praised China back then, for its response to the virus, but it's not okay that Bruce Aylward did?
Thirdly, it mentions the WHO's tweet dated January 16th:
“Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China.”
In that tweet, the WHO was reporting what the Chinese authorities were saying at the time (and that should be clear to anyone with basic reading comprehension skills). Just a few days after that tweet was made, the WHO sent its own team of scientists to Wuhan to investigate the virus and then issued a lengthy document detailing what they found, including the fact that the virus is indeed spread via human-to-human transmission.

The WHO is not responsible for China and the way it dealt with the virus or its alleged lack of transparency. But this is article is doing a fine job of trying to convince its readers that the WHO is somehow responsible for the way China handled its own situation.

Curiously, what other world leaders are trying to blame the World Health Organization for the current pandemic?
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US coronavirus death toll now reported at over 60,000. Only a few days ago Trump was claiming the final death toll would be 60,000 not just a gravestone on the way.

Meanwhile, A tight race is shaping up in Texas between former Vice President Joe Biden and President Trump, according to a new poll.
Biden, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, has a slim 1-point lead over Trump in Texas, based on a poll from the left-leaning firm Public Policy Polling released Wednesday.

A Democrat hasn’t won a presidential election in Texas since former President Carter in 1976.
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