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I really don't think you can point to any specific cognitive issues. That is until he opens his mouth, or his twitter account.

Of course he posts a lot of rubbish and has a, let's call it unconventional, view on the world. That's something different than having cognitive issues though.
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Of course he posts a lot of rubbish and has a, let's call it unconventional, view on the world. That's something different than having cognitive issues though.
Imho he is loved/hated for being old school. That is the opposite of unconventional.
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Can you give an example of Trump's cognitive issues?
Just google the words "Trump's cognitive issues". There's an endless series of hits, many with video of Trump himself. There's also plenty of links earlier in this thread.

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I'd be weary of any psychiatrist/mental health professional who would be willing to diagnose someone based on a Twitter feed and TV clips.
And yet it’s ok to proclaim Biden as cognitively impaired. Does anyone here have actual clinical experience?

But of course, it will continue.....and that’s fine. Just know that you’re talking out of both sides of your mouths.

Oh, and people admire Trump because Americans admire wealth. If he did it, so can they. Even if they grew up without a pot to piss in, while Fred Trump left Donny a wad of cash. It’s not because of his homespun Everyman schtick —— because that is non existent.

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Of course he posts a lot of rubbish and has a, let's call it unconventional, view on the world. That's something different than having cognitive issues though.
I don't know how you define cognitive issues then, there are lots of videos if you google where he's shown having those moments during his speeches when one can safely assume he's a bit senile. He's hiding it under a ton of rubbish, pretending he's entertaining.

And btw, aren't his tweets enough material in order to form yourself an independent, non-biased-media-influenced idea? Seriously?

Ok, we can go on and on, I think it's hilarious.
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Imho he is loved/hated for being old school. That is the opposite of unconventional.
Old school is polite, well mannered, discreet. He's the opposite of old-school.

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Oh, and people admire Trump because Americans admire wealth. If he did it, so can they. Even if they grew up without a pot to piss in, while Fred Trump left Donny a wad of cash. It’s not because of his homespun Everyman schtick —— because that is non existent.
All great and dandy, but let's not pretend this admiration it's for something else, no?
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I don't know how you define cognitive issues then, there are lots of videos if you google where he's shown having those moments during his speeches when one can safely assume he's a bit senile. He's hiding it under a ton of rubbish, pretending he's entertaining.

And btw, aren't his tweets enough material in order to form yourself an independent, non-biased-media-influenced idea? Seriously?

Ok, we can go on and on, I think it's hilarious.

I agree, it's definitely hilarious. Imagine that 10 years ago someone would have told you that there would be discussions about which presidential candidate in the US is most senile.


US politics are a bit like the zoo: entertaining to observe and at the end of the day, you're happy that you can go home
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Just google the words "Trump's cognitive issues". There's an endless series of hits, many with video of Trump himself.
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I don't know how you define cognitive issues then, there are lots of videos if you google where he's shown having those moments during his speeches when one can safely assume he's a bit senile.
So I googled it and came up with this:

White House doctor says Trump 'has absolutely no cognitive or mental issues whatsoever'
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I think the US president's behavior is authentic and he does all to put that message across. Maybe he thinks that having people's trust is the most important part of being a leader.

I think people in the US will trust an offensive person if they know he is being genuine and truthful, as opposed to a discreet fake. Somebody who plays a role of something he is not. I think that was Obama and Hilary, too. I do not know Biden but not sure if he knows himself who he is. Trump knows and he says it. Loads of people have a trouble with it and analyze his offensiveness and mock him but another millions appreciate the fact that Trump is who he says he is and prefer to live with that than pretended stuff. The offensiveness is largely a matter of taste or perspective. A politician lacking trust of people in his country is a bigger problem than me thinking Trump's tweets are impolite.

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No credible psychiatrist (since the diagnosis posted here is psychiatric) will issue a diagnosis based on: tweets, TV interviews, you tube bits and political campaign snippets that he saw a footage of.
Every couple of years we read of scientific attempts to diagnose long dead individuals such as George III, Napoleon, Caligula, and pronounce what was wrong with them. I've never heard anybody say any of that is unscientific.

But what I guess is implied but remains unsaid in such projections is that there is a huge margin of error in the diagnosis.
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Every couple of years we read of scientific attempts to diagnose long dead individuals such as George III, Napoleon, Caligula, and pronounce what was wrong with them. I've never heard anybody say any of that is unscientific.

But what I guess is implied but remains unsaid in such projections is that there is a huge margin of error in the diagnosis.
Yes.

Power always lies in the ability to predict. If you analyse whoever powerful, either if you think they were evil or not, what you gain is the ability to predict how one can get successful.

I was not trying to discredit the opinions of people on mental health of leaders, only point out that they are not diagnosis like TBC or cancer, which would be more serious in terms of the ability to rule and lead. These are opinions that will not mean he needs to be removed, or not voted in again. More people try to say his tweeting is pathological, more fun those who like him will have with the tweets.

I think there is a very little effect that these opinions on mental health of leaders actually have, no matter how accurate the armchair psychiatrists feel.

Popular science is a big business, that has impact. But that's another thing.

Somebody thinking Trump is a compulsive whatever because they cannot understand the appeal he has to people who a priori have not trusted the leadership for decades...I think there is a bit of a denial going on, yes, people have not trusted the gov. Now they have somebody who tweets a lot, directly communicates, and more he peeves off the establishment or academia or the current modern nobility, the better for them.
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Joe Biden is clearly dealing with cognitive issues, let's not make this harder than it needs to be.
Again, show me some proper examples. I had asked Terrafish to show me some proper examples, and he (she?) was only able to show me one example, which was an interview where Biden was distracted by whatever he was looking down at and had lost his train of thought. Again, that is something that could happen to anyone, of any age. There are plenty of examples where Biden is speaking clearly and coherently.

But this is how a Trump-supporters mode of logic works. When Trump slurs his words or makes "gaffes," etc., nothing is wrong with him. But when Biden does it, it's a sign of dementia. Similarly, when 22 women accuse Trump of sexual assault or misconduct, it should be ignored. But when one woman accuses Joe Biden of sexual misconduct (and then completely changes her story one year later), it's something that deserves constant front-page headlines and should be considered something worthy of causing him to not be elected.

If you're not able to see the hypocrisy and double standard there, I'm afraid there is no help for you, and so trying to have an intelligent conversation with you is a waste of time because you clearly filter reality through the lens of your confirmation bias.

So yes, please... let's not make this any more difficult than it needs to be.
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Trump boasted about pussy-grabbing before his election. Same applies to everything he said during his campaign.

What are double standards?

And what about the recent rape allegations against Biden? Do allegations only count when they target Trump?
I am no fan of Binden . To me it is all how one handles those allegation . I could not throw any stones
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I am no fan of Binden . To me it is all how one handles those allegation . I could not throw any stones
Still.

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If you're not able to see the hypocrisy and double standard there, I'm afraid there is no help for you, and so trying to have an intelligent conversation with you is a waste of time because you clearly filter reality through the lens of your confirmation bias.
Just imagine if Trump had said 'poor kids are just as talented and bright as white kids'
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I never would brag about pussy grabbing ! but I do treasure memories
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I am no fan of Binden . To me it is all how one handles those allegation . I could not throw any stones
Same, (*), same.

(*) I agree with your notion that the outcome depends on how it's handled. However that means the truth is irrelevant.
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I never would brag about pussy grabbing,but I do treasure memories
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Just imagine if Trump had said 'poor kids are just as talented and bright as white kids'
I think you are being too logical.

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.... I mean, the democrat party pushed voters out into the plague to wrap things up in the primary and people will have certainly died from this (stats went up in these states after voting!)...
I agree with a lot of your post but have to call you out on this. The early caucases and primaries were before Covid-19 started to take hold in the USA and overall it was Republicans, not Democrats that chose to continue elections. Also every state had rising rates of infection and death following the first wave of primaries, regardless of which party is in control.
  • On Feb. 28, Trump made his famous comment that Covid-19 was going to disappear like a miracle. Okay, that day there were only 63 cases in the entire country. Oh what a difference a few months can make.
  • Super Tuesday was a few days later on March 3 - and on that day there were still only 124 confirmed cases in the entire country. States were not worried.
  • On March 10, the second Super Tuesday, there were still "only" 994 cases across the country, again not much cause for concern. In the states that did hold primaries, no state had more than about 130 cases across its entire population. Most had fewer than 40 cases.
  • On March 17 there were 6,357 cases, and Ohio decided to push its primary to April 28. Three other states continued with their primaries - Arizona and Florida (totally R controlled) and Illinois (totally D controlled)

All states that had primaries or caucuses after March 17 - except Alaska, Wisconsin and Wyoming - pushed their March and April primaries to later dates.

The governments of Alaska and Wyoming are entirely controlled by Republicans (governor, senate and house/assembly). Ohio was scheduled to vote March 17 and pushed it to April 28, and the election was held this week despite the current Covid-19 numbers (more than 1 million positives in the country, more than 18,000 in the state). Ohio is also entirely controlled by Republicans.

Wisconsin's governor (a democrat) tried to push that state's primary to June with an executive order at the last minute, after continually asking the legislature to change the date. Republicans - who control both houses of the state legislature - refused to do anything. After the governor made the executive order, legislative Republicans went all the way to the US Supreme Court to overturn the executive order and essentially "push voters out into the plague". At that time (April 2) there were 31 deaths among 1,730 cases in Wisconsin. Now there are 316 deaths among 6,954 cases (as of April 30).

As for May, some states are still holding caucuses or primaries as of now, others have pushed back.

Sources: Worldometers, 270towin, state health department websites, wikipedia, ballotpedia, etc. too many to list but you can find all the same info with some simple google searches.

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...I think people in the US will trust an offensive person if they now he is being genuine and truthful...
I do think many Trump supporters find him to be genuine, because he pretty much says what is on his mind without any filter.

However to claim he is truthful? That's a BIG stretch. He lies and/or exaggerates every time he opens his mouth and his supporters know it. But they don't mind, it's a means to an end and everyone knows he's lying anyway so what's the big deal.

Then again if we're honest about it, most politicians lie and exaggerate on a regular basis. It's not like Trump is the only fibber ever to hold office.
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But this is how a Trump-supporters mode of logic works. When Trump slurs his words or makes "gaffes," etc., nothing is wrong with him. But when Biden does it, it's a sign of dementia. Similarly, when 22 women accuse Trump of sexual assault or misconduct, it should be ignored. But when one woman accuses Joe Biden of sexual misconduct (and then completely changes her story one year later), it's something that deserves constant front-page headlines and should be considered something worthy of causing him to not be elected.
It's these kinds of misrepresentations, usually intentional, that are part of the reason why the divide keeps getting deeper and stronger. At best they're an effort to silence the other even though winning an argument doesn't get anbody anywhere. At worst they're part of the point-scoring among one's group without intent to make it part of a dialogue.
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