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Old 01.05.2020, 16:37
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

When people talk about Trump’s genuineness (is that even a word), I just have to bring up the pack of phony baloney Evangelicals who hang around him, like Paula White and my eyes roll back in my head.
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Old 01.05.2020, 16:43
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I do think many Trump supporters find him to be genuine, because he pretty much says what is on his mind without any filter.
Honestly, I get bored with the constant analysis of Trump's supporters, I wanted to negate a few stereotypical preconceptions because for me aside of understanding Trump's popularity which, believe or not, or wanting it or not, it is a real phenomenon, his popularity does not say so much either about Trump nor his supporters but about what has happened in the US right up till Trump. That in my mind is important.

People getting upset over Trump tend to forget that there have been phases that allowed that to happen, gradually. And the main thing was losing trust in the leaders. I do not think that too many "deplorables" as Hillary promptly called them, trusted Obama. The reasons he got voted in said nothing to them.

There is somebody who speaks the same language as those, who did not participate in political life at all before and instead of anyone appreciating it and studying it, they get shot down. And their hero gets shot down...nobody works with it and it will vote Trump in again. That's how big the phenomenon is. And even if he does not, it was big enough to have him in the office for whole 4 years. Now, anyone else cares for calling these supporters unimportant or repeat ad nauseam their assumed mental health problems? The way they get criticised is extremely uncooth and shows a complete lack of analytical thinking, on top.

Biden is so far from reaching these people. I have to say that despite him probably being a decent person.

People constantly have to defend themselves why they believe that Trump is onto something. He represents a complete loss of trust in those who wanted to lead before. We are in a country where people came to enjoy the advantages that made a lot of Trump's ideas work before Trump even knew that there are societies who push for personal responsibility in the 1st place. Trump wants people to be personally responsible for their success and their achievements. He believes in small scale governance. He believes in meritocracy that allows individuals to forgo some part of their gains in order to have more cohesive collective later, but 1st we must assure to have the engine that will produce and sustain and back up before we decide to collectivize. That's Switzerland defined, before anyone starts to outrage. This place has the decency and integrity to go about political life without the pathetic drama and theatrical exaggerations, because people are able to tolerate opposing views. They do not shoo them away, humiliate nor pretend that the opposing party must be mentally ill or other way unfit. It is based on impersonal exchange and tolerance.

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However to claim he is truthful? That's a BIG stretch. He lies and/or exaggerates every time he opens his mouth and his supporters know it. But they don't mind, it's a means to an end and everyone knows he's lying anyway so what's the big deal.

Then again if we're honest about it, most politicians lie and exaggerate on a regular basis. It's not like Trump is the only fibber ever to hold office.
And then again, if you yourself admit it why the previous paragraph then. What he does becomes just a mere figure of speech that, on top, is actually way more entertaining than anyone else.

Him tweeting, I say, who cares, again. It is just a way to keep a presence in the media because it is a way the media will focus on him without him spending a dime.

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It's these kinds of misrepresentations, usually intentional, that are part of the reason why the divide keeps getting deeper and stronger. At best they're an effort to silence the other even though winning an argument doesn't get anbody anywhere. At worst they're part of the point-scoring among one's group without intent to make it part of a dialogue.
This exactly. I am not surprised to hear this opinion from a local person.

I honestly do not care who gets voted in, as long as it means improving the lives of people in the US and as long as the impact of the president has a good fallout on the rest of the world.

It seems to me that Trumps opponents do not care who gets voted in, even if he is worse than Trump, as long as Trumps steps down from his throne.
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Old 01.05.2020, 17:33
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Honestly, I get bored with the constant analysis of Trump's supporters...

Him tweeting, I say, who cares, again. It is just a way to keep a presence in the media because it is a way the media will focus on him without him spending a dime.
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It seems to me that Trumps opponents do not care who gets voted in, even if he is worse than Trump, as long as Trumps stoops down from his throne.
1 - How many Trump supporters do you know in real life? Actual Americans who voted for him? I know hundreds, probably thousands if I start adding them all up - people I was raised with, went to school with, worked with, etc. This gives me a fair amount of insight into how many Trump supporters think, particularly when I see things they share on social media that have also been shared tens of thousands of times by other supporters.

My friends, acquaintances and relatives have diverse perspectives overall but the one thing in common is their unwavering support for Trump. If Biden wants to have any chance of winning, he needs to understand how Trump supporters think, what they like, what they fear, etc. and tap into that to try and convert a few. It's one thing to start judging his supporters and putting them all in the same basket of deplorables like Clinton did. It's another to understand how they think and feel. Thus there has to be some analysis.

I think you're reading more into my posts than there is. I don't hate Trump or his supporters. I don't love him/them either. Ok, I do love plenty of them, I'm related to them and they're my friends. I also find Trump's fans fascinating from a psychology standpoint.

2 - Yes, the amount of free media Trump gets is amazing. Incumbents tend to have a small advantage in this, but as a TV personality prior to being elected, Trump and his team know how to leverage media coverage to the max. Well done them, it's totally free so why not. What's the saying? Even bad publicity is better than no publicity.

3 - Hmm, sounds the same as when Trump got elected. Anyone was better than Obama, as long as he and anyone associated with him (i.e. Clinton) were out. Actually that's a little bit how Obama got elected too, by "not being Bush".
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Old 01.05.2020, 17:45
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Of course he said that. He's the "White House doctor," after all. He would have been fired had he said otherwise.
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Old 01.05.2020, 17:48
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I also find Trump's fans fascinating from a psychology standpoint.
Well, I am not going to call my degrees in for credibility. My personal view is - they aren't special or exotic. They are just people like anyone else who learned to not trust the political leadership before Trump. I don't blame them at all despite Obama being so polite and Hilary so rude. I think they are not fascinating from a psy point. What makes people distrust the establishment in such large scale is fascinating.

There we have a system where you pick somebody for 4 years who ends up not having much support, it is logical, the area is immense and he gotta suit them all.

Here we have a system where you pick somebody for mere one year but who generally has a lot of support because people know that big decisions are made locally to suit local situations.

The whole world will end up in 20 years where Switzerland is. Trump is somebody who pushes for Swiss life in the US.

Is he going to knock down the taxes?
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And Trump was so grateful he immediately nominated Dr. Jackson to the rank of rear admiral but even the craven Senate would not swallow that.
Then Trump nominated Ronny Jackson as secretary of Veterans Affairs but that failed too.
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Of course he said that. He's the "White House doctor," after all. He would have been fired had he said otherwise.
I'll probably still trust his diagnosis given that he personally treated Trump, as opposed to your TDS eggheads who diagnose him based on his Twitter feed.
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Old 01.05.2020, 18:07
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

@MC

You posted "Biden is so far from reaching these people."

Correct but nobody in the Dems including Biden will try to reach out to the Trump faithful; it is just too high a hurdle to try and convert them.

Biden's game is to appeal to the "independents" while still keeping the Dems. While more than 40% of the voters cannot be bothered to vote in presidential elections, campaigning is a depressing task.
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Old 01.05.2020, 18:08
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Well, I am not going to call my degrees in for credibility. My personal view is - they aren't special or exotic. They are just people like anyone else who learned to not trust the political leadership before Trump. I don't blame them at all despite Obama being so polite and Hilary so rude. I think they are not fascinating from a psy point. What makes people distrust the establishment in such large scale is fascinating.

There we have a system where you pick somebody for 4 years who ends up not having much support, it is logical, the area is immense and he gotta suit them all.

Here we have a system where you pick somebody for mere one year but who generally has a lot of support because people know that big decisions are made locally to suit local situations.

The whole world will end up in 20 years where Switzerland is. Trump is somebody who pushes for Swiss life in the US.

Is he going to knock down the taxes?
What those people apparently didn't realize (or weren't willing to admit) is that in many ways, Trump actually serves as the perfect symbol for "the establishment" and the source of many of America's problems -- that being corporate greed. He would talk about the US government being corrupt and yet he himself has been impeached for being corrupt.
But here's the thing. It's the nature of election campaigns now (apparently) to try to attack your opponents in whatever way possible in order to try to make yourself look better and more appealing. Put the other guy down in order to boost yourself up (my mom calls this "the teeter totter effect"). And I see this happening now, with these sexual allegations against Biden. The right is trying to divide the left in the hope that less people (especially women) will be willing to vote for Biden. It's all just lame 'war tactics' and that's one reason why I refuse to take any of it seriously. Even with all the sexual allegations against Trump, I just rolled my eyes at it. Because in my opinion, it's just allegations unless there is solid evidence. And at the end of the day, most people are going to believe what they want to believe anyways.
I just hope that someday within the not-too-distant future, American politics will feel less like a civil war between the left and the right and an episode of Jerry Springer and that the focus in politics will shift to actually improving the lives of the American people.
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I'll probably still trust his diagnosis given that he personally treated Trump, as opposed to your TDS eggheads who diagnose him based on his Twitter feed.
"TDS eggheads" throwing ad hominem around simply destroys your remaining credibility.
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I think the US president's behavior is authentic and he does all to put that message across. Maybe he thinks that having people's trust is the most important part of being a leader.

I think people in the US will trust an offensive person if they know he is being genuine and truthful, as opposed to a discreet fake. Somebody who plays a role of something he is not. I think that was Obama and Hilary, too. I do not know Biden but not sure if he knows himself who he is. Trump knows and he says it. Loads of people have a trouble with it and analyze his offensiveness and mock him but another millions appreciate the fact that Trump is who he says he is and prefer to live with that than pretended stuff. The offensiveness is largely a matter of taste or perspective. A politician lacking trust of people in his country is a bigger problem than me thinking Trump's tweets are impolite.

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2 c*ap - NO it is not a question of taste or perspective - it is a question of life or death.

Do you actually believe what you write- or is it just out of sheer desire to stir the pot and create conflict - knowing you will be protected? I just can't be asked - out of here. Life is far too short to get into that level of debate.
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I'll probably still trust his diagnosis given that he personally treated Trump, as opposed to your TDS eggheads who diagnose him based on his Twitter feed.
It was psychiatrists who diagnosed Trump, and it wasn't based on his Twitter feed.
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Imho he is loved/hated for being old school. That is the opposite of unconventional.
The post that you quoted was referring to Trump, and the post quoted in that post also referred to Trump. They were answering the (disingenuous) request for evidence that Trump has cognitive issues. Your post (presumably) refers to Biden.

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Well, I am not going to call my degrees in for credibility.
How long have you worked as a practising, clinical psychologist?

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Here we have a system where you pick somebody for mere one year but who generally has a lot of support because people know that big decisions are made locally to suit local situations.
"Here"? Do you mean in Switzerland? The Swiss president has almost no individual power and is not elected by the people. I'm not sure how you see that as Trump's end goal. (Well, I get that he'd like the idea of watering down the popular vote even further.)

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Fix your quotes, Mr. 22 yards.

I'll use multi quotes in exchange.

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Again, show me some proper examples. I had asked Terrafish to show me some proper examples, and he (she?) was only able to show me one example, which was an interview where Biden was distracted by whatever he was looking down at and had lost his train of thought. Again, that is something that could happen to anyone, of any age. There are plenty of examples where Biden is speaking clearly and coherently.
Definitely. Sleep deprivation, mothering, stress, all these can do. I was OK after my first child, my brain turned to mush after the second.
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This made my day. Thank you.

Marton already posted all the details I was going to post about Ronny Jackson. Trump isn't very good at covering up his pay-off attempts, is he?

Ronny Jackson's "diagnosis" (and he's no psychiatrist either) in this case is about as credible as the statement that that bizarre doctor who used to be Trump's personal physician put out just before the election. You know, the declaration that Trump, if elected, would be the healthiest individual ever to assume the presidency. The one that Trump dictated, no doubt making clear at the time the consequences of not complying with his "request".
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Fix your quotes, Mr. 22 yards.
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Trump is somebody who pushes for Swiss life in the US.
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Again, show me some proper examples. I had asked Terrafish to show me some proper examples, and he (she?) was only able to show me one example, which was an interview where Biden was distracted by whatever he was looking down at and had lost his train of thought. Again, that is something that could happen to anyone, of any age. There are plenty of examples where Biden is speaking clearly and coherently.

But this is how a Trump-supporters mode of logic works. When Trump slurs his words or makes "gaffes," etc., nothing is wrong with him. But when Biden does it, it's a sign of dementia. Similarly, when 22 women accuse Trump of sexual assault or misconduct, it should be ignored. But when one woman accuses Joe Biden of sexual misconduct (and then completely changes her story one year later), it's something that deserves constant front-page headlines and should be considered something worthy of causing him to not be elected.

If you're not able to see the hypocrisy and double standard there, I'm afraid there is no help for you, and so trying to have an intelligent conversation with you is a waste of time because you clearly filter reality through the lens of your confirmation bias.

So yes, please... let's not make this any more difficult than it needs to be.
Sorry for delay...busy day! Here you are Pancakes: a video/broadcast from Sky News Australia (which I would think would be fairly objective) on Biden's mental decline (there are several recent footages of Biden in this piece):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA-GoeFGyIc

And here is a piece from the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-be-president/
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The whole world will end up in 20 years where Switzerland is. Trump is somebody who pushes for Swiss life in the US.
I want some of what she’s smoking, it’s clearly really good stuff.
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I want some of what she’s smoking, it’s clearly really good stuff.
Like wow, totally man. Peace out.
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