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02.05.2020, 16:45
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I think that anyone who has ever taken a basic Psych 101 course would know what Trump, the GOP and the right-wing media are doing. "Divide and conquer." They desperately want these sexual allegations against Biden to divide Democrats and are desperately trying to shift the focus away from Trump's own behavior and problems and put that focus on Biden.
It's lame and pathetic. And there is only one way to deal with crazy people... Ignore them. I think that's exactly what Biden was trying to do for a long time and why he took a while to make a formal statement in regard to the allegations.
Trump is his own worst enemy. He's made it repeatedly clear what low levels he's willing to stoop to to get re-elected. He was already impeached for one of them.
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | I think that anyone who has ever taken a basic Psych 101 course would know what Trump, the GOP and the right-wing media are doing. "Divide and conquer." They desperately want these sexual allegations against Biden to divide Democrats and are desperately trying to shift the focus away from Trump's own behavior and problems and put that focus on Biden.
It's lame and pathetic. And there is only one way to deal with crazy people... Ignore them. I think that's exactly what Biden was trying to do for a long time and why he took a while to make a formal statement in regard to the allegations. | | | | | This.
I don't care how many women Biden supposedly assaulted, clearly the GOP are just trying to weaponise the allegations. I agree we need to just ignore them like Biden was trying to do.
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02.05.2020, 19:33
| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | This.
I don't care how many women Biden supposedly assaulted, clearly the GOP are just trying to weaponise the allegations. I agree we need to just ignore them like Biden was trying to do. | | | | | That's your fourth attempt; that's some dogged trolling. Respect.
Or has your account been hacked?
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02.05.2020, 19:49
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Why do you keep deflecting and bringing up Trump? I could give a toss about Trump yet you keep bringing him into the discussion regarding Biden's current mental state. Again is this the best the Democratic Party could do? There were other capable candidates who were much younger and far more articulate (Gabbard, Yang).
Bernie Sanders is 78 years old and while I don't really agree with his politics, he is a year older than Biden and comes across as far more cogent and capable. | | | | | Well, Trump is kinda of our hero on this thread.
I think you are right about the Dem candidates, there are defo better people out there who wouldn't make it too far though. People can rarely dissociate the message from the messenger - so not really realistic to propose women, gays, etc There's also the Metoo movement which is not really helping here imho. People want to keep their privileges. To some very conservative souls all of these are very threatening.
I think they went with whom(ever) appeared to counter-balance Trump somehow. And there's also that gerontocracy and party hierarchies and politics within politics so to speak.
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02.05.2020, 20:04
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | I am so old that I remember when candidates just campaigned on their policies.
Interesting claim today that the Obama camp thoroughly vetted Biden before offering him the VP role and in the course of that they found no formal Senate complaints against him in the official record or any other allegations.
It is surprising that the lady involved did not try to sabotage Biden's VP role with her allegation.
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | ...It is surprising that the lady involved did not try to sabotage Biden's VP role with her allegation. | | | | | That was basically what I said up-thread. She's had ample opportunities since 1993 to get him booted out of his Senate seat, to ensure he was not selected/elected VP (twice), etc. He briefly considered a presidential run in 2016 and she could have blown that up very early on with an accusation then, and maybe ensured he never had a chance again.
Just last year her claim only talked about touching her hair and shoulders and making her feel uncomfortable. Biden officially announced his candidacy on April 29, 2019. Now it's sexual assault? It stretches the bounds of credulity. It's unfortunate either way, because if she's lying it makes genuine victims less likely to be believed. If it's true and there's a written record in the archives, he's done.
Good for him to encourage the national archives to release his senate records.
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I think that if she wants Biden to be held accountable for some kind of assault against her, then she should have gone to the courts about it and had the accusations properly investigated, rather than waiting until he was up for the presidency and using public perception as her 'weapon' against him. I was curious, so I did a google search for her name earlier and found her Twitter account. Her profile photo on there looks absolutely nothing like she does in real life. She's obviously using a much younger and much, much more attractive photo in her Twitter profile. https://twitter.com/ReadeAlexandra?r...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
I just don't find much of anything about this woman to be very credible. And sadly, we are living in "the age of attention-seeking" where people are increasingly using social media and the press to get attention and to try to hurt other people.
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02.05.2020, 21:17
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | I think that if she wants Biden to held accountable for some kind of assault against her, then she should have gone to the courts about it and had the accusations properly investigated, rather than waiting until he was up for the presidency and using public perception as her 'weapon' against him. I was curious, so I did a google search for her name earlier and found her Twitter account. Her profile photo on there looks absolutely nothing like she does in real life. She's obviously using a much younger and much, much more attractive photo in her Twitter profile. https://twitter.com/ReadeAlexandra?r...Ctwgr%5Eauthor | | | | | She has the right to be heard and people shouldn't be quick to judge how she seeks justice.
I find it incredibly brave that she's coming out with her story and it must be especially difficult against a powerful and privileged male like Joe Biden. These women need people to support them, not judge and shame them (especially about their looks  )
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02.05.2020, 21:37
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | She has the right to be heard and people shouldn't be quick to judge how she seeks justice.
I find it incredibly brave that she's coming out with her story and it must be especially difficult against a powerful and privileged male like Joe Biden. These women need people to support them, not judge and shame them (especially about their looks ) | | | | | How sweet
Describing them as "these women" gives a better insight into your views.
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | She has the right to be heard and people shouldn't be quick to judge how she seeks justice.
I find it incredibly brave that she's coming out with her story and it must be especially difficult against a powerful and privileged male like Joe Biden. These women need people to support them, not judge and shame them (especially about their looks ) | | | | | I said nothing to put her down about her looks. I pointed out the fact that she's using a much younger and much more attractive photo of herself in her Twitter profile. And that is simply a fact.
This is her Twitter profile photo:
And this is a recent photo of her:
Did you also think that the 25 women who had come out against Trump were "incredibly brave?" Because Trump has repeatedly called them "liars." This link contains video segments from his speeches where he is denying all allegations and said the women were just making it up as some kind of conspiracy against him so that he wouldn't be elected. He also said, about one of the women, that they aren't even attractive enough for him to kiss.
"Donald Trump Personally Attacked the Women Accusing Him of Sexual Assault" https://time.com/4531872/donald-trum...cusers-attack/
So according to Trump-supporter 'logic,' it's perfectly fine for Trump to deny so many allegations from so many women; and yet when Biden denies it about one woman who had completely changed her story, he is in the wrong.
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | She has the right to be heard and people shouldn't be quick to judge how she seeks justice.
I find it incredibly brave that she's coming out with her story and it must be especially difficult against a powerful and privileged male like Joe Biden. These women need people to support them, not judge and shame them (especially about their looks ) | | | | |
Yeah. I'm cynical. She should be heard. I know that women have their own reasons for when and how they disclose allegations of abuse. I also have to wonder why she didn't come out with this earlier.
On one hand, #metoo. On the other, there is a huge amount of cynicism and doubt at the moment and she seems conveniently brave.
Anyway, weren't you rather cynical yourself about the #metoo movement earlier in this thread.
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | How sweet 
Describing them as "these women" gives a better insight into your views. | | | | | He forgot the "you people" thing. | This user would like to thank greenmount for this useful post: | | 
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Like a true republican, or should I say Trumper, he is trying to live up to their expectations of making America great again by:- Beefing up the military
- Reducing taxes (even if it's only for now)
- Reducing the government's expensive infrastructure
- Giving the green light to business to ignore all rules by getting rid of the rules
- Putting an end to immigration so that good old boy's can work again.
Believe it or not, these are the same interests of many many Americans. | | | | | Tbh I'm not sure if all of these are all Rep. supporters' expectations or some of them just pick whatever suits them from the list and choose to ignore everything else. Including the Trumper. | 
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Some serious backtracking underway!! | Quote: |  | | | Tara Reade, a former Senate staffer who has alleged she was sexually assaulted by former Vice President Joe Biden, told The Associated Press that the complaint she filed 27 years ago did not explicitly accuse the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee of sexual harassment or assault.
Reade, who previously said she filed a sexual harassment complaint against Biden, said “uncomfortable” was the main word she used in her complaint | | | | | Source
So this claimed 1993 Senate complaint against Biden about sexual assault does not mention sexual assault and possibly even does not name Biden. | The following 3 users would like to thank marton for this useful post: | | 
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: |  | | | "Congress is grateful for the Administration's generous offer to deploy rapid COVID-19 testing capabilities to Capitol Hill, but we respectfully decline the offer at this time," Pelosi and McConnell said in a joint statement issued Saturday.
"Our country's testing capacities are continuing to scale up nationwide and Congress wants to keep directing resources to the front-line facilities where they can do the most good the most quickly." | | | | | Source
Good for them to make this bipartisan statement, they are both smarter than Trump to figure out the negative political impact of giving Congress fast track access to testing.
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Even more 'interesting' is that Trump supporters are now trying to accuse Biden of the same exact things that Trump has been accused of. How strangely coincidental.  | | | | | Even the Republicans can learn, assuming the allegations against Biden are indeed
fake. The exact same thing happened with Kavanaugh, the Dems provided the perfect script.
But perhaps that again is different for whatever reason some chose.
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Even the Republicans can learn, assuming the allegations against Biden are indeed
fake. The exact same thing happened with Kavanaugh, the Dems provided the perfect script.
But perhaps that again is different for whatever reason some chose. | | | | |
Yes, the situations are a bit different. Kavanaugh's accusers didn't completely change their story as Biden's accuser has. That is my #1 reason for being suspicious of Tara Reade -- because she came out a year ago, accusing Biden of once making her "uncomfortable" for something rather trivial (and making someone uncomfortable is not sexual assault); and then one year later, she decided to completely change her story by adding entirely new and different and much more severe accusations.
Trump and the GOP vehemently defended Kavanaugh and repeatedly expressed that they did not believe his accusers (especially Christine Blasey Ford) and went to great lengths to attack her in the press, on Twitter, etc.. Trump himself claimed that Ford's accusations were an "assault" made by "radical left wing politicians."
What I see happening here is called "tit for tat" -- meaning "equivalent retaliation" or intentionally doing something to punish someone because they have done something unpleasant to you.
Tara Reade also claims that she had filed a report of the incident which had made her "uncomfortable" but didn't file one for the much more severe sexual assault. That also doesn't make sense. Biden has asked that a copy of her filed report be found and made public, so let's see if one does exist and what it says, exactly. And let this go to trial so that the incident can be properly investigated, etc. Until then, this is all just a distraction from what's going on in the US right now in terms of a pandemic, a means for Republicans and the right-wing media to further attack Biden and something that is clearly being used to try to divide Democrats prior to a presidential election.
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | She has the right to be heard and people shouldn't be quick to judge how she seeks justice.
I find it incredibly brave that she's coming out with her story and it must be especially difficult against a powerful and privileged male like Joe Biden. These women need people to support them, not judge and shame them (especially about their looks ) | | | | | Virtue signaling!
A new approach?
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New US daily death record 2,909 U.S. residents. | Quote: |  | | | The U.S. saw its largest one-day death toll from the coronavirus pandemic to date on Thursday, as several states began to reopen parts of their economies.
According to data from the World Health Organization, 2,909 U.S. residents died on Thursday, shattering the previous record of 2,471 deaths that were reported on April 23 | | | | | Source
According to worldometers the US with 67,448 deaths today blew past the 60,000 forecast days ago and is only a day or two from the next forecast of 70,000. At the current daily rate, 100,000 will be reached in a couple of weeks.
A strange time for States to relax the lockdown - hope it works out as hoped.
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| | Re: Will Trump be a Good President? | Quote: | |  | | | Did you also think that the 25 women who had come out against Trump were "incredibly brave?" Because Trump has repeatedly called them "liars." This link contains video segments from his speeches where he is denying all allegations and said the women were just making it up as some kind of conspiracy against him so that he wouldn't be elected. He also said, about one of the women, that they aren't even attractive enough for him to kiss. | | | | | Yes, I do think they were brave. And personally I don't look at Donald Trump's actions for guidance especially when it comes to morals and decency.
It reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from Michelle Obama: 'When they go low, we go high'
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