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In a three-minute video shared on Twitter on Saturday, George W. Bush urged Americans to push partisanship aside amid the outbreak of the novel coronavirus and to remember "how small our differences are in the face of this shared threat."

So how did the Great Unifier respond?


Just impossible for Trump to embrace partisanship and what about the "bye"
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Ahh, but then women are not to be trusted...no? You mentioned something along the line.
I think that #believewomen means believe all women, not just when it suits me politically.
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I think that #believewomen means believe all women, not just when it suits me politically.
Why then do you think it was fine for Trump and the GOP and Fox News, etc. to repeatedly deny all allegations against Trump and Kavanaugh? And why do you think it's fine for them to have done that and yet to demand that Biden be automatically held accountable despite there being no proper investigation?

Yes, there are many victims of sexual assault out there whose stories are squashed by a male-dominated society. But sadly, there are also women out there who weaponize sexual assault allegations. And again, if Tara Reade's story was more consistent and didn't so conveniently come out just as Biden is up for a presidential election, I would find her story more believable. Not to mention the fact that Trump and his supporters have done a fine job of making it obvious that they view these allegations against Biden as some form of "payback" for the allegations against Trump in the past.
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What I find almost amusing (rather, pathetic) about this is that Trump-supporters are using these accusations against Biden as some attempt to try to expose Democrats' hypocrisy and yet in the meantime, what they're actually doing is exposing their OWN hypocrisy. How stupid can someone really be?
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Why then do you think it was fine for Trump and the GOP and Fox News, etc. to repeatedly deny all allegations against Trump and Kavanaugh? And why do you think it's fine for them to have done that and yet to demand that Biden be automatically held accountable despite there being no proper investigation?
I don't think it was fine. As I said previously, I try to hold myself to a higher standard than Trump and Fox News.

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Yes, there are many victims of sexual assault out there whose stories are squashed by a male-dominated society. But sadly, there are also women out there who weaponize sexual assault allegations. And again, if Tara Reade's story was more consistent and didn't so conveniently come out just as Biden is up for a presidential election, I would find her story more believable. Not to mention the fact that Trump and his supporters have done a fine job of making it obvious that they view these allegations against Biden as some form of "payback" for the allegations against Trump in the past.
#believewomen is about giving a chance for women to be heard, whether we have doubts or not.

I'm also skeptical about the story but I believe she has the right to be listened to and taken seriously. If I was willing to change my values so quickly when it was convenient for me then it wouldn't say much for my values nor my integrity.
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Old 03.05.2020, 18:20
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I'm also skeptical about the story but I believe she has the right to be listened to and taken seriously. If I was willing to change my values so quickly when it was convenient for me then it wouldn't say much for my values nor my integrity.
From other posts of yours it appears you don't believe in any of these movements. Suddenly it seems to be very important to give all women a voice etc etc Talking about changing one's opinions as it suits.

But it's all right, everyone should reserve the right to change their opinions. I am glad you're now a convinced supporter of #Metoo etc etc.

What do you think, shall we listen again to all the women that have accused Trump?
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Old 03.05.2020, 19:30
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"Tit for tat" because Republicans are trying to say that Biden should be automatically held accountable for accusations against him even though they repeatedly denied (and still deny) that Trump or Kavanaugh should be held accountable for the accusations against them.

So if you want to talk about double standards, there it is.

Republicans apparently think that Biden should be automatically deemed "guilty" despite the fact that their instinct was to believe that both Trump and Kavanaugh are innocent (a belief they still maintain).

So again. There's your double-standard.
I meant you with the double standards. You brush allegations against one side while appearing to take the others as the truth even though, in fact, the allegations against both are just that, and unproven.
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It's like someone stealing your purse and denying it and then accusing you of stealing their purse a year later. "Tit for tat." It's immature and honestly, at this point, I wouldn't put anything past Trump and the GOP because they have already made it very clear that they're willing to stoop to the lowest levels to get Trump re-elected, including trying to use Biden's own son against him.
My English is good enough, thanks for nothing.

IMO neither party is above any kind of deceit, maybe even outright illegalities, when it comes to gaining an advantage. I take the fact that you again blame the Reps only as just another case where you're either blind on one eye, or close it intentionally. So much for your own hypocrisy.

Not sure why you mention Hunter. But if he's stupid enough to incriminate himself and get caught it's definitely not the catcher's fault.
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You really don't get it, do you. I'm neither a Trump supporter nor a Republican.

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Old 03.05.2020, 19:39
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I am glad you're now a convinced supporter of #Metoo etc etc.

What do you think, shall we listen again to all the women that have accused Trump?
I think anyone who supports #metoo and holds progressive values should support listening to all women who make accusations against powerful men.

If one were to pick and choose when they hold progressive values then it would just show that they don't actually care but rather just use them to virtue signal and attack political opponents.
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Old 03.05.2020, 20:14
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I meant you with the double standards. You brush allegations against one side while appearing to take the others as the truth even though, in fact, the allegations against both are just that, and unproven.

My English is good enough, thanks for nothing.

IMO neither party is above any kind of deceit, maybe even outright illegalities, when it comes to gaining an advantage. I take the fact that you again blame the Reps only as just another case where you're either blind on one eye, or close it intentionally. So much for your own hypocrisy.

Not sure why you mention Hunter. But if he's stupid enough to incriminate himself and get caught it's definitely not the catcher's fault.

You really don't get it, do you. I'm neither a Trump supporter nor a Republican.
No. You accused me of having double standards and yet appear to have no problem with the fact that Trump and Kavanaugh both denied the truth of their allegations. And yet when Biden is accused, we are somehow expected to just automatically believe the accuser (despite her having completely changed her story). Indeed, neither party is above any kind of deceit; but as I said earlier, I would be more willing to believe Tara Reade if she hadn't completely changed her story.
And once again, in terms of a double-standard... You wrote that if Hunter is "stupid enough to incriminate himself and get caught." Well, that's exactly what Trump did and was impeached for it, and yet Trump, the GOP and his supporters threw a fit about him being held accountable for it. Regardless of what Hunter may or may not have done, Trump abused his power by threatening to withhold money from the Ukraine unless they investigated the son of his political rival, and the Constitution clearly prohibits this.
So yeah... You're right. I don't "get it." And I'm glad I don't, because I think it takes a special kind of crazy to 'understand' why Trump is supposed to be considered immune from being held responsible for his actions while Biden is supposed to be considered guilty until proven innocent.
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I think anyone who supports #metoo and holds progressive values should support listening to all women who make accusations against powerful men.

If one were to pick and choose when they hold progressive values then it would just show that they don't actually care but rather just use them to virtue signal and attack political opponents.
We've been listening. She completely changed her story. I stopped listening at that point. I will start listening again once and if some real evidence surfaces and this situation is properly investigated.

You commented here the other day that Trump talking about grabbing women by the pussies wasn't a "deal breaker" for you. Well, obviously Trump being accused of sexual misconduct by 22 women wasn't a deal-breaker for you either. Therefore, I can only assume that you can understand why Joe Biden being accused by a woman who completely changed her story one year later isn't a "deal breaker" for me. Not at this point.

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The phrase 'hoist with one's own petard' comes to mind.
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The phrase 'hoist with one's own petard' comes to mind.
No, but Trump supporters such as yourself have done a fine job of making it very clear that this is what they want the allegations against Biden to be.

And that is just one more reason why it loses credibility.
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He forgot the "you people" thing.





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Some serious backtracking underway!!



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So this claimed 1993 Senate complaint against Biden about sexual assault does not mention sexual assault and possibly even does not name Biden.
It was not me either
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No. You accused me of having double standards and yet appear to have no problem with the fact that Trump and Kavanaugh both denied the truth of their allegations. And yet when Biden is accused, we are somehow expected to just automatically believe the accuser (despite her having completely changed her story).
Not really.

Just try to apply the same standards regardless of the side they're on. Yes, everybody has their biases so that's impossible to ever fully work but one can at least try. Heck, if biases didn't matter it wouldn't matter who gets elected to the Supreme Court.
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Indeed, neither party is above any kind of deceit; but as I said earlier, I would be more willing to believe Tara Reade if she hadn't completely changed her story.
Maybe that's the core of the issue. Maybe people should rely less on belief and more on facts. Not just statements or unproven claims but facts.

As for the rest:
Whatever it is you're smoking I don't want any of it.
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Like a true republican, or should I say Trumper, he is trying to live up to their expectations of making America great again by:
  • Beefing up the military
  • Reducing taxes (even if it's only for now)
  • Reducing the government's expensive infrastructure
  • Giving the green light to business to ignore all rules by getting rid of the rules
  • Putting an end to immigration so that good old boy's can work again.
Believe it or not, these are the same interests of many many Americans.

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No. You accused me of having double standards and yet appear to have no problem with the fact that Trump and Kavanaugh both denied the truth of their allegations. And yet when Biden is accused, we are somehow expected to just automatically believe the accuser (despite her having completely changed her story). Indeed, neither party is above any kind of deceit; but as I said earlier, I would be more willing to believe Tara Reade if she hadn't completely changed her story.
And once again, in terms of a double-standard... You wrote that if Hunter is "stupid enough to incriminate himself and get caught." Well, that's exactly what Trump did and was impeached for it, and yet Trump, the GOP and his supporters threw a fit about him being held accountable for it. Regardless of what Hunter may or may not have done, Trump abused his power by threatening to withhold money from the Ukraine unless they investigated the son of his political rival, and the Constitution clearly prohibits this.
So yeah... You're right. I don't "get it." And I'm glad I don't, because I think it takes a special kind of crazy to 'understand' why Trump is supposed to be considered immune from being held responsible for his actions while Biden is supposed to be considered guilty until proven innocent.
It takes a special crazy who must be put on the ignore list.
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MSM having used Christine Ford as a martyr figure (she even appeared on the cover of Time Magazine) are far more quiet on their coverage Tara Reade. Yet another example of them failing to do their job, and why people have lost trust in the MSM.
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MSM having used Christine Ford as a martyr figure (she even appeared on the cover of Time Magazine) are far more quiet on their coverage Tara Reade. Yet another example of them failing to do their job, and why people have lost trust in the MSM.
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