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He just says the society needs to make cash first, before fighting about where to spend it.
I've come to the conclusion that although he speaks a form of english, people don't really understand Trump. I think the ones that can understand him are people with awareness of middle America. Even coastal people are having trouble with him.

The other day, Manuel Vals said "Trump declared war on Europe". WTF?

I'm sure when he gets set up, he'll employ a more diverse communication team to address particular audiences. Although I hope he never gives up the twitter posts, as I find a lot of the meltdowns and over-reaction hilarious.
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Old 19.01.2017, 12:23
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The other day, Manuel Vals said "Trump declared war on Europe". WTF?
Maybe he's "speaking a form of English you don't understand"?
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He just says the society needs to make cash first, before fighting about where to spend it.
See, I wish this was true. I don't think it would be ideal, but I'd love to have an honest to god libertarian in office, even for one term. But I don't find this statement about Trump true in the slightest. His business achievements (and the cash he has made for his business partners) are mixed at best. He's already gearing up to carry out some crazy government spending plans like the Mexico wall. Which Mexico says it won't pay for, and Trump has finally admitted it will initially be funded by the taxpayers, before (somehow) eventually getting Mexico to pay for it. Then he wants to increase funding to the military and lower taxes. And somehow lower the national debt while he's at it.

Let's not have any illusions, he will continue to do what he has always done, spend other people's money (whose? we'll never know without his tax returns) in ways that mostly benefit himself. So not worse than most politicians, but not better than them either. And this is without mentioning his obvious mental handicaps and disorders that can spell potential disaster on the world stage. Nothing that he is proposing is revolutionary, it's the same Republican party MO from the last few decades: "Does it benefit Wall Street and/or kill brown people in far-away lands? Blank check. Does this actually help people? Ohh, better count them pennies."
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thats right. i brought up milo since he is probably the worst enemy of the left because he is the most offensive (on purpose). weather him out and you can handle anything i would say. i personally find him entertaining but he has nothing to say i find particularly interesting because i am past it already. his only purpose is to get people past the "im offended so i stop listening" stage in general. like flooding therapy for phobias.

what about watson though? are you gonna go "watson - infowars - alex jones - conspiratard" and dismiss him that way? exactly the point of why he was on rubin report - jones is an idiot, watson is not but they are linked so watson is too for the left.

all three i mentioned are religious so im already disagreeing with them on basic levels. we can think in bridges in the sense that we filter out the ideas per se of a person, rather than dismissing him as a whole because of one idea you disagree with.
I'm not aware of Watson besides seeing his race-baiting on Twitter in passing. And Milo as some kind of renegade and free-speech advocate is laughable. Ben Shapiro called him out perfectly on his last Rubin Report: if Milo is that courageous and irreverent, he dared him to say the N word in public. Of course he won't, because he's not truly a renegade, just a talentless fraud who has found a niche and picks easy targets. His "I'm gay and if I could take a Jesus pill that cures me of it I would" form of Christianity is funny though. I wish most religious people were that aware of their hypocrisy.
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Old 19.01.2017, 12:36
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I'm not aware of Watson besides seeing his race-baiting on Twitter in passing. And Milo as some kind of renegade and free-speech advocate is laughable. Ben Shapiro called him out perfectly on his last Rubin Report: if Milo is that courageous and irreverent, he dared him to say the N word in public. Of course he won't, because he's not truly a renegade, just a talentless fraud who has found a niche and picks easy targets. His "I'm gay and if I could take a Jesus pill that cures me of it I would" form of Christianity is funny though. I wish most religious people were that aware of their hypocrisy.
But don't worry, its not like anyone is looking up to Shapiro and Milo for moral guidance and direction. That is not really how we take in other people's opinions. We don't condemn them for expressing their opinions and holding their beliefs. We expect people to have their own moral compasses, and a stronger backbone than that.
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Why are you wasting time debating political commentators who are largely unheard of outside of their own little fish bowl? Haven't got a sodding clue who Milo is.
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Why are you wasting time debating political commentators who are largely unheard of outside of their own little fish bowl? Haven't got a sodding clue who Milo is.
Just be happy we aren't talking about r/The_Donald. You want real crazy?
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Old 19.01.2017, 13:17
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump tweeted yesterday:

Writing my inaugural address at the Winter White House, Mar-a-Lago, three weeks ago. Looking forward to Friday. #Inaugurationhttps://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...72494864580614

Yes, like Russia, the US now has a Winter "White House."

And here's one hilarious reaction: https://www.bustle.com/p/winter-whit...ld-trump-31323

And another explaining the reception desk used by Trump to write his iconic address:
http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/01/w...ar-a-lago.html

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Its also hilarious how Shapiro might be construed as a white supremacist bigot, and then to find out he's Orthodox Jew.

Milo is a lot more entertaining than Shapiro, although I think Shapiro is sharper in intellect. Milo still speaks from a social, historical and cultural standpoint, whereas Shapiro is more philosophical.
You've never met a bigotted Jew? Regardless of political leaning, they aren't all tolerant, just like everyone else.

I'll listen to anyone once but....I think Milo is a jerk. Does that make me a Nazi? I think jerkiness transcends political leanings.
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Old 19.01.2017, 14:00
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Why are you wasting time debating political commentators who are largely unheard of outside of their own little fish bowl? Haven't got a sodding clue who Milo is.
you are not interested in other peoples views? what exactly are you doing on this forum?
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Old 19.01.2017, 14:07
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You've never met a bigotted Jew? Regardless of political leaning, they aren't all tolerant, just like everyone else.

I'll listen to anyone once but....I think Milo is a jerk. Does that make me a Nazi? I think jerkiness transcends political leanings.
Of course. I also think Milo is a jerk. I have a high tolerance for people's shortcomings, especially when they admit it. Nevertheless, he is hilarious and what he exposes about the psychology of the left is priceless. I don't really care what he does in private life, nor do I believe everything he says. But I appreciate the entertainment and the insight he reveals.

I don't consider the virtue-signalling of other people a virtue in any sense of the word. The ones that go around labelling people "racist bigot" and such, they remind me of intolerant religious people from the last century looking for heretics and witches.

In personal life, some of the SJWs I know, who supposedly stand for tolerance and generosity, are also some of the most childish and selfish assholes I know. And even some of the supposed intolerant racist bigots are some of the kindest and most generous people I know. So that practice of virtue-signalling fingerpointing doesn't convince me of anything at all.
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There is so much jargon.....what is virtue signalling? I like the straight forward perjorative rather than speaking in code.

If a person is an a$$hat, he/she is an a$$hat.
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Oh, and one of the most popular novelty items for sale in DC right now is toilet paper emblazoned with PEOTUS' face. Have to see if i can find the link.
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In personal life, some of the SJWs I know, who supposedly stand for tolerance and generosity, are also some of the most childish and selfish assholes I know. And even some of the supposed intolerant racist bigots are some of the kindest and most generous people I know. So that practice of virtue-signalling fingerpointing doesn't convince me of anything at all.
Yeah but that's nothing special. Most people are attracted to, and find the most reasonable, those with whom they align their own views and opinions. It's called your comfort zone, Phos.

The common denominator is that anyone with any view can be, as edot says, an asshat.
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There is so much jargon.....what is virtue signalling? I like the straight forward perjorative rather than speaking in code.

If a person is an a$$hat, he/she is an a$$hat.
There are lots of a$$hats. Its part and parcel of being a provocateur. What feeds Milo is the stifling of free speech in US campuses by liberals. If they weren't doing that, and students were actually allowed to explore real ideas, you wouldn't have Milo.

I think the value of challenging that censorship is more important than even Milo himself.
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There is so much jargon.....what is virtue signalling? I like the straight forward perjorative rather than speaking in code.

If a person is an a$$hat, he/she is an a$$hat.
The term virtue signalling is not new.

May moons ago I read A.S Neill's book on his Summerhill School (and you can't get much leftier than that). That is where I first came across the term.

I think that book was written in the 1960s.
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There are lots of a$$hats. Its part and parcel of being a provocateur. What feeds Milo is the stifling of free speech in US campuses by liberals. If they weren't doing that, and students were actually allowed to explore real ideas, you wouldn't have Milo.

I think the value of challenging that censorship is more important than even Milo himself.
yeah. I don't know that I agree with the stifling of free speech on US campuses. I was on one till 2007, and just didn't see it. Since we left the US, what i've seen and heard more of is uni administration clamping down on faculty, operating less as an educational institution and more as a customer service operation. And decidedly not on the left. So, i guess ymmv.
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yeah. I don't know that I agree with the stifling of free speech on US campuses. I was on one till 2007, and just didn't see it. Since we left the US, what i've seen and heard more of is uni administration clamping down on faculty, operating less as an educational institution and more as a customer service operation. And decidedly not on the left. So, i guess ymmv.
Supposedly by student groups demanding safe spaces from points of views, but plenty of evidence it is being encouraged and supported by faculty.

Back when I was a leftist (yes, I was young and stupid once), free speech and challenging the status quo was at its foundation. It was about challenging ideas through discourse. Nowadays, its about shutting down ideas. We would call what is taking place today totalitarianism.
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you are not interested in other peoples views? what exactly are you doing on this forum?
Same as you and Phos I guess...whiling away the hours until home time/death.
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Same as you and Phos I guess...whiling away the hours until home time/death.
Good point I have work to do.
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Same as you and Phos I guess...whiling away the hours until home time/death.
what about yourself?
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