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Old 24.05.2020, 22:48
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It is your decision to continuosly hang in the cafeteria. Maybe it isn't the best for you.
Sadly, just reading the news is like "hanging in the cafeteria" with him in office.
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Old 25.05.2020, 09:42
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They should be investigating Trump peddling dangerous drugs!
They should? Just another task WHO should grab and with the same results as they had when monitoring pandemics/epidemics?

I think it's their FDA which is or should be responsible. Maybe the USA gets a bad press from all over the world (I find it a bit ironic tbh) but we should have known by now that not everyone is an imbecile over there. Let's trust their specialists, no need to send the WHO troops now, especially when they're kind of...compromised. Maybe WHO should look into their own business/courtyard and put some things in order there. They're not really in the position to boss around other countries as we speak.*
In my humble opinion, of course.

The Germans think Trump is right about WHO...another irony. Well, don't they all know to be impartial when it suits.
https://www.ft.com/content/46d14798-...8-b3437c59eea7

*that is not to defend in any way, shape or form Trump's self-serving market strategies....
Yes, you're right btw, he would do anything to win the elections for the second time. Maybe the Dems should want this a little bit more too....imho.

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Old 25.05.2020, 10:13
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

For those good people who say we should not attempt to diagnose Trump's mental condition.

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President Trump said in a new interview that Jeff Sessions wasn’t "mentally qualified" to be attorney general and was a "disaster" while in office.

The president told Sharyl Attkisson that Sessions "should have never" held the position.
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Old 25.05.2020, 10:32
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I can barely even keep up with his bulls*** anymore. He is becoming increasingly irrational and delusional. It's like visiting a cafeteria of an insane asylum and trying to makes sense of the patients' conversations.
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It is your decision to continuosly hang in the cafeteria. Maybe it isn't the best for you.
That's ironic coming from a mod on EF.....

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Sadly, just reading the news is like "hanging in the cafeteria" with him in office.
Time for all of us to switch off the news a little, and the EF too (I think) because we tend to comment them here. Or at least for a while, till things might come down.

The truth is this two months lockdown has some effects on our media and social media consumption, it hasn't been the best time for many of us. We're all concerned about everything, about families and friends living in various places across the world and we're glued to a screen these days. Or at least glued to a screen more than usual. It is a phase we should try to get out of it, it's not worth it IMO.
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Old 25.05.2020, 12:57
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Sadly, just reading the news is like "hanging in the cafeteria" with him in office.
Exactly, again: expose yourself as much as you can reasonably take

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Old 25.05.2020, 15:02
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...I think it's their FDA which is or should be responsible...
I don't know if other countries are like this, but the USA has a patchwork of agencies with overlapping responsibilities. The CDC (Centers for Disease Control) and the FDA (food and drug administration) often issue advice that contradicts each other.

A few articles that get into it:

https://reason.com/2020/04/08/how-th...d-the-economy/

https://www.propublica.org/article/t...onavirus-cases

FYI the numbers in the articles are a bit out of date. The USA has now completed more than 17 million tests, according to Worldometers, or more than 4% of the population. But, just as in other countries, one test does not necessarily mean one person. The same person may have been tested multiple times and therefore count multiple times. Also some countries are counting tests for live virus and tests for antibodies together to prop up the numbers.

Edit - One more article from 2015 about some of the differences in how the two agencies operate and can issue conflicting info:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...about-the-flu/

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Old 25.05.2020, 21:10
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

No doubt Trump will not like this!
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World Health Organization pauses study of hydroxychloroquine in global trial. The study has enrolled 3,500 patients in at least 17 countries since March.

The executive committee of the WHO’s Solidarity trial met on Saturday, said WHO Chief Scientist Soumya Swaminathan, and decided “in the light of this uncertainty that we should be proactive, err on the side of caution and suspend enrollment temporarily into the hydroxychloroquine arm.”
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Hopefully means that fewer people will be killed by this drug.
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Old 25.05.2020, 21:25
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No doubt Trump will not like this!


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Hopefully means that fewer people will be killed by this drug.

Trump has stopped it too actually: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12334725
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Old 27.05.2020, 08:55
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I don't know if other countries are like this, but the USA has a patchwork of agencies with overlapping responsibilities. The CDC (Centers for Disease Control) and the FDA (food and drug administration) often issue advice that contradicts each other.

A few articles that get into it:

https://reason.com/2020/04/08/how-th...d-the-economy/

https://www.propublica.org/article/t...onavirus-cases

FYI the numbers in the articles are a bit out of date. The USA has now completed more than 17 million tests, according to Worldometers, or more than 4% of the population. But, just as in other countries, one test does not necessarily mean one person. The same person may have been tested multiple times and therefore count multiple times. Also some countries are counting tests for live virus and tests for antibodies together to prop up the numbers.

Edit - One more article from 2015 about some of the differences in how the two agencies operate and can issue conflicting info:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...about-the-flu/
Thank you, 3Wishes. Right. I should have known more about it. Maybe the goal of having 2 agencies was to optimise the process of releasing new drugs. The actual effect is doctors and insurance companies will get a lot of conflicting info and recommendations.
Back home and I can safely assume in every EU country there is a national medicines agency. The development by a laboratory until the drug is commercialised requires between ten and 15 years of research to explore all areas of investigation.
After experimental animal or cell studies, the laboratory asks health authorities for permission to begin a human clinical trial to evaluate the effectiveness and tolerance of a treatment. The test is usually performed in three phases:
- tolerance and absence of side effects in a small group of healthy volunteers (usually less than 100).
- estimating the efficiency of the molecule and to establish the optimal dose. This usually involves a few hundred people.
- comparing the treatment with either a placebo or a reference treatment and generally involves several thousand people. The goal is to demonstrate efficiency and evaluate the efficacy / tolerance ratio.
After these phases the laboratory has to make an application at the competent health authority for marketing authorisation. In Europe, this is basically the European Medicines Agency (EMA). I hope I didn't miss anything important.

If it is of any consolation to you, the WHO committee of experts approved the use of unapproved treatments in the fight against Ebola hemorrhagic fever.

Don't know what to say, in general it is accepted as an ethical practice - if no treatment is available for a particular disease, the authorisation procedure can be accelerated for "compassion reasons".
I know, it is a double-edged sword and we never know if compassion are the real reasons.
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Old 27.05.2020, 09:42
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Twitter is finally treating Trump like they treat everyone else and has marked a lying tweet, Spanky did not like this!

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@Twitter is now interfering in the 2020 Presidential Election.
They are saying my statement on Mail-In Ballots, which will lead to massive corruption and fraud, is incorrect, based on fact-checking by Fake News CNN and the Amazon Washington Post Twitter is completely stifling FREE SPEECH, and I, as President, will not allow it to happen!


This how they marked his tweet.
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There is NO WAY (ZERO!) that Mail-In Ballots will be anything less than substantially fraudulent. Mail boxes will be robbed, ballots will be forged & even illegally printed out & fraudulently signed.
The Governor of California is sending Ballots to millions of people, anyone.....
Get the facts about mail-in ballots
They added a link "Get the facts about mail-in ballots" so people can check the tweet.

Trump is claiming "will not allow it to happen" but how is not clear. Twitter is a private organisation so are not required to allow "free speech" they can block or add comments to any tweet.

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Old 27.05.2020, 09:56
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Would of thought being allowed to call the president a liar is the very definition of free speech
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Old 27.05.2020, 10:32
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Trump is claiming "will not allow it to happen" but how is not clear. Twitter is a private organisation so are not required to allow "free speech" they can block or add comments to any tweet.

The problem for Twitter is that the platform will lose relevance if Trump would choose another social media platform.
The other problem is that they lose credibility if they wouldn't add the comments.
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Old 27.05.2020, 10:38
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The problem for Twitter is that the platform will lose relevance if Trump would choose another social media platform.
The other problem is that they lose credibility if they wouldn't add the comments.
I think he will ditch Twitter soon enough. They censor. And they lost credibility long time ago, not because of Trump or his followers but because they censor.
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Old 27.05.2020, 10:43
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Just when you think the Americans can´t get any crazier, Trump has cancelled the "open skies" agreement where oberservation flights can be conductred over a countries territory and almost as an afterthought may bring back nuclear testing to the US. Not as a thirst for science but as a threat.
Can we not somehow tell their Jesus god to tell them to cut this crap out?
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Old 27.05.2020, 11:37
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I think he will ditch Twitter soon enough. They censor. And they lost credibility long time ago, not because of Trump or his followers but because they censor.
They did not censor Trump, just added a comment like any other tweeter.

Too big a risk for Trump to change platforms just a few months before the election.
Firstly will his 80M followers move to another media?
Secondly what other social media platforms could handle 80M new users overnight, or even in some months - unless Trump moves to a Chinese social media platform that has capacity!
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Trump is claiming "will not allow it to happen" but how is not clear. Twitter is a private organisation so are not required to allow "free speech" they can block or add comments to any tweet.
This.

Twitter would risk losing much more by allowing everything go there. They'd start having an unprecedented level of law suits, and rightly so. A bit like Metoo movement after it went totally mad, since it was so frequently quoted here. I think that would be a good comparison, albeit the scale of the phenomenon and the stakes involved would be on a whole different level.

So between pleasing Trump and his followers and Businesss......
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Old 27.05.2020, 12:29
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This.

Twitter would risk losing much more by allowing everything go there. They'd start having an unprecedented level of law suits, and rightly so. A bit like Metoo movement after it went totally mad, since it was so frequently quoted here. I think that would be a good comparison, albeit the scale of the phenomenon and the stakes involved would be on a whole different level.

So between pleasing Trump and his followers and Businesss......
I doubt there would be many lawsuits, the Twitter terms and conditions include "We reserve the right to remove Content that violates the User Agreement, including, for example, copyright or trademark violations or other intellectual property misappropriation, impersonation, unlawful conduct, or harassment. " which gives them a broad range of options.
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I doubt there would be many lawsuits, the Twitter terms and conditions include "We reserve the right to remove Content that violates the User Agreement, including, for example, copyright or trademark violations or other intellectual property misappropriation, impersonation, unlawful conduct, or harassment. " which gives them a broad range of options.
Exactly. They're covered. But as always, when you have rights you also have obligations.
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Exactly. They're covered. But as always, when you have rights you also have obligations.
They need to add “Blatant Lies”.
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They need to add “Blatant Lies”.
I believe they are covered under the alternative facts clause. First seen about 3.5 years ago i think.
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