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Old 29.05.2020, 20:14
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump Presidential team now aiming for the high ground!
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Nah! Those days are long gone.
Now we have "diverging views", "encouraging debate" and ignoring phony posts despite the rules clarification provided in a recently closed thread.
Nothing against diverging views and debate as long as it's done in a civil manner and dare I say in good faith.

Have not seen this here in a very long time. But....it was fun.

I particularly liked the rage of the old boys country club.

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I actually very much agree. I wasn't trying to defend Trump taking Chloroquine (and I certainly don't think he should be suggesting that other people take it, especially considering the risks). I was simply pointing to some of the studies that are being done or have been done regarding its efficacy. Most of what we see in the media about Chloroquine for COVID treatment is that it's bad or unproven, but if you look up and actually read through some of the studies that have been done about its use for treating COVID, the studies actually have shown that it can have benefits for treating the virus and also for potential use as a prophylactic.
I think it's true. It's been used in one clinic back home but only to a very carefully selected group pf patients - no specific co-morbidities, all tests done before the treatment started and in a smaller dose than recommended in other countries and the results were very good. Out of a few tens of patients just one developed high blood pressure and the treatment was interrupted immediately. But it's banned in France now, so I don't think it will have a chance to enter any European market as an official treatment for covid. It was just in the testing phase anyway.
Oh, and taking it outside doctor's office so to speak is absolutely no-no. Back home is absolutely not recommended as prophylactic treatment.

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Old 29.05.2020, 22:53
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Nothing against diverging views and debate as long as it's done in a civil manner and dare I say in good faith.

Have not seen this here in a very long time. But....it was fun.

I particularly liked the rage of the old boys country club.

I think it's true. It's been used in one clinic back home but only to a very carefully selected group pf patients - no specific co-morbidities, all tests done before the treatment started and in a smaller dose than recommended in other countries and the results were very good. Out of a few tens of patients just one developed high blood pressure and the treatment was interrupted immediately. But it's banned in France now, so I don't think it will have a chance to enter any European market as an official treatment for covid. It was just in the testing phase anyway.
Oh, and taking it outside doctor's office so to speak is absolutely no-no. Back home is absolutely not recommended as prophylactic treatment.
The difficulty with testing any new drug is that it is very hard to identify if patients recovered due to the drug or would have recovered anyway.
This is why you need tests with many thousands of patients so the sheer weight of numbers gives confidence in the results.
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Old 30.05.2020, 01:42
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According to their claims the Republicans are very fiscally conservative.

They will always fight spending ever more, and never brag about however much does need spending.

At least that's what they keep claiming.



Maybe because Trump is NOT a conservative, but a democrat. Didnt he change two weeks before he decided to run as a republican? Or was it two days? I remember some of my conservative friends complaining that we get to choose between two NY democrats.
Anyways, I'm all for infrastructre spending and mass transit. We need it. Better spent there than on new wars, of which there have been none. Obama started with two and left with four, double the output. A man of peace my arse.

Yes Twitter loves Trump. Without Trump there is no Twatter. Twitter was on its last breath until he came along. Trump you asshat. He saved Twitter like he saved NYC.
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Regarding freedom of speech and social media: in almost every case judges are rulling that they consider social media to be the modern "public square". So a legal precedent is being set, its only a matter of time before they face regulations. If they piss of Trump that may come sooner rather than later.

Man I need to quit EF. You guys actually have me defending Trump, I never liked him either.
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Regarding freedom of speech and social media: in almost every case judges are rulling that they consider social media to be the modern "public square". So a legal precedent is being set, its only a matter of time before they face regulations. If they piss of Trump that may come sooner rather than later.

Man I need to quit EF. You guys actually have me defending Trump, I never liked him either.
Maybe you don't know about other legal precedents then but freedom of speech on social media is already pretty regulated....That's why they suddenly remembered about their own terms and conditions, which again - I personally find it hilarious.
Perhaps you need not to take everything here so personally, you and others here don't defend Trump because of EF or "the pack of hyenas" you defend him because you want. Does someone force you to react at our reactions to whatever pops up in our news feed, I don't think so. I admire folk who own their opinions, whatever those opinions are - either pro- or against Trump. Do you think EF will influence the future elections in the USA?.....
Seriously, some people need to get a grip.

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The difficulty with testing any new drug is that it is very hard to identify if patients recovered due to the drug or would have recovered anyway.
This is why you need tests with many thousands of patients so the sheer weight of numbers gives confidence in the results.
Yes marton, I know, this would be the next phase....this medicine is already tested in many countries/clinics but if the WHO announced that it has "temporarily" suspended clinical trials with hydroxychloroquine..(the decision came as a result of a study published a week ago by the prestigious medical journal The Lancet, which showed that the use of hydroxychloroquine in the treatment of patients infected with coronavirus can be ineffective or even harmful)....

I think as always, you don't treat the disease you treat the patient and it wouldn't be the only one drug used against covid-19. There are a few treatment schemes already working out (including the one with Remdesivir which is supported by WHO)
Mind you, I have no reasons to either support or reject its use, as you said, we need larger clinical trials. But I find it a bit not OK to ban it in this phase especially when its use proved to be efficient in patients who were carefully monitored. I think it's a political decision, but hey ho, don't want to argue anymore.

The saddest part is the USA is out of WHO now. China will take its place. Wow, just wow, the world is really changing. And btw Trump will have to face another issues now - riots in Minneapolis and what not.
Back to the topic now. The discussion is obviously upsetting quite a few here who have lost any perspective...awww. It's ridiculous. I'll put this thread on the ignore list myself.

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Old 30.05.2020, 12:19
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Trump tweeting his dangerous drug again today then came a new Trump! Almost apologising instead of doubling down - probably he realised that without Twitter he is lost.

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Looting leads to shooting, and that’s why a man was shot and killed in Minneapolis on Wednesday night - or look at what just happened in Louisville with 7 people shot.
I don’t want this to happen, and that’s what the expression put out last night means.
It was spoken as a fact, not as a statement.
It’s very simple, nobody should have any problem with this other than the haters, and those looking to cause trouble on social media.
Honor the memory of George Floyd!..
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Old 30.05.2020, 21:18
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Great job last night at the White House by the U.S. @SecretService.
They were not only totally professional, but very cool.
I was inside, watched every move, and couldn’t have felt more safe.
They let the “protesters” scream & rant as much as they wanted, but whenever someone have been greeted with the most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons, I have ever seen.
That’s when people would have been really badly hurt, at least. ....
Trump apparently was terrified by these protestors so he invented "most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons" presumably to discourage people from joining the protests.
None of the photos and videos of the protests showed "most vicious dogs and most ominous weapons".

A final word from Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser (D) who fired back Saturday at President Trump's tweets.

“I thought the president’s remarks were gross. To make a reference to vicious dogs is no subtle reminder to African Americans of segregationists who let dogs out on innocent [people],” Bowser said at a press conference Saturday.
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Old 30.05.2020, 21:55
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Trump tweeting his dangerous drug again today then came a new Trump! Almost apologising instead of doubling down - probably he realised that without Twitter he is lost.
Yeah, but I think it's pretty clear that his other Tweet was a threat, with "when the looting starts, the shooting starts." In that same tweet, just before he wrote that, he was talking about sending in the military. Now he's trying to completely change the narrative on that, because that's what he does.

Knowing Trump, he thought to himself: "Oh, shit. That's right. I need the black votes."
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Old 31.05.2020, 10:23
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Now that our Country is “Transitioning back to Greatness”, I am considering rescheduling the G-7, on the same or similar date, in Washington, D.C., at the legendary Camp David.
The other members are also beginning their COMEBACK.
It would be a great sign to all - normalization!
Turns out the other world leaders are not so stupid as to risk a face to face meeting in June. So now Trump has announced the meeting is delayed, no firm new date set.

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Typical of Trump to have tried to organise something for political reasons and ignoring the public health issues.
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And Trump is trying to sneak Putin into the meeting under the guise of inviting Russia, South Korea, India and Australia to the USA hosted G7 meeting.

https://www.reuters.com/article/g7-s...-idUSS6N2D300O
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

There's a certain irony to the title of this thread being...

Will Trump be a Good President?

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Yeah, but I think it's pretty clear that his other Tweet was a threat, with "when the looting starts, the shooting starts."
I think we categorically have the answer now.
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Old 31.05.2020, 14:53
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And Trump is trying to sneak Putin into the meeting under the guise of inviting Russia, South Korea, India and Australia to the USA hosted G7 meeting.

https://www.reuters.com/article/g7-s...-idUSS6N2D300O
Would make more sense to invite China which is the second-largest world economy?
How this expanded G7 complies with Trump's #MAGA policy is not clear.
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How this expanded G7 complies with Trump's #MAGA policy is not clear.
Or with the key principles of the G7; according to the BBC: “It regards itself as "a community of values", with freedom and human rights, democracy and the rule of law, and prosperity and sustainable development as its key principles".

I guess Trump has already forgotten why Russia was kicked out of the G8 after it annexed Crimea. Or maybe he has a deep moral streak and wants to repay his debt to Putin as soon as possible.
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Maybe because Trump is NOT a conservative, but a democrat. Didnt he change two weeks before he decided to run as a republican? Or was it two days? I remember some of my conservative friends complaining that we get to choose between two NY democrats.
Anyways, I'm all for infrastructre spending and mass transit. We need it. Better spent there than on new wars, of which there have been none. Obama started with two and left with four, double the output. A man of peace my arse.

Yes Twitter loves Trump. Without Trump there is no Twatter. Twitter was on its last breath until he came along. Trump you asshat. He saved Twitter like he saved NYC.
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Man I need to quit EF. You guys actually have me defending Trump, I never liked him either.




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Old 31.05.2020, 22:34
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Trump is trying to blame Democrat governors for the rioting but there is also rioting in Ohio, Atlanta, Texas, and Illinois which have republican Governors
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I think we categorically have the answer now.
I think we've had the answer for almost 4 years... (and most disturbingly will have it for another 4)

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Trump is trying to blame Democrat governors for the rioting but there is also rioting in Ohio, Atlanta, Texas, and Illinois which have republican Governors
Now why would you expect him to show anything like differentiated thinking, reflection, logic or - God forbid - objectivity
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

White House: US sends 2M doses of hydroxychloroquine to Brazil.

Why do they want to murder Brazilians?

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White House: US sends 2M doses of hydroxychloroquine to Brazil.

Why do they want to murder Brazilians?

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Probably, because I mean Brazilians are effectively Mexicans (don't they also speak Spanish? Ah irrelevant, partly non-white and somewhere from a foreign land) and we all know how much the current "administration" likes Mexicans. Or anything foreign. Or whatever.

(and yes I'm becoming really sarcastic, probably pure desperation)
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JB Pritzker, current governor of Illinois, is a Democrat. He took office in 2019, replacing Bruce Rauner, a Republican.
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JB Pritzker, current governor of Illinois, is a Democrat. He took office in 2019, replacing Bruce Rauner, a Republican.
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