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Old 03.06.2020, 21:06
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As did every elected US president in history.

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All the hand wringing about popular vote means nothing. It's a statistic that only becomes interesting if the winner of the EC doesn't win the popular vote (which is exceedingly rare). That's all.

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As did every elected US president in history.

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Andrew jackson vs john adams
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Andrew jackson vs john adams
A three way race, not relevant.

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All the hand wringing about popular vote means nothing. It's a statistic that only becomes interesting if the winner of the EC doesn't win the popular vote (which is exceedingly rare). That's all.
Four times, including George W and DT.
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Four times, including George W and DT.
Out of 58 elections, so agreed, at nearly 7% of all elections, it's not exceedingly rare. Then there's also Jackson, who in 1824 won a plurality of not only the popular vote, but also the Electoral College, and still didn't get elected that year.
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Our only hope is the voters
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Former Trump Secretary of Defense James Mattis castigated President Donald Trump as "the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people" in a forceful rebuke of his former boss as nationwide protests have intensified over the death of George Floyd.

"We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort.
We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership.
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A three way race, not relevant.

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U said every president. That isnt the case.
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Old 05.06.2020, 00:05
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Hospitalized COVID-19 patients who were treated with hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria touted by President Trump, had a much higher risk of death than those who were not, according to a new study of 96,000 patients.

The study, published Friday in the medical journal The Lancet, found that patients who were treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine also faced a much higher risk of abnormal heartbeats, called arrhythmias, which could result in cardiac arrest.
The authors have now formally withdrawn this study!

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Remember this?


The authors have now formally withdrawn this study!

Gets weirder??
Not weirder. In the environment there was a rush to publish results before adequate checking, rechecking and re-re-checking were done. Regretfully the media picked it up and thinking they had embarrassing evidence for POTUS ran with it without doibg their own checks.

I think the evidence is clear, it does little harm, but absolutely no good.
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The authors have now formally withdrawn this study!

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The authors have now formally withdrawn this study!

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I am not surprised.
There was already some criticism against this study coming from a part of the medical community itself.

What is rather telling in this whole affair is the fact that WHO has made some recommendations without carefully checking their facts.

WHO could have great results in running some programmes for fighting diseases such as Tuberculosis or malaria etc on a global scale etc but by no means are they able to provide answers and make decisions in every single area.

As for epidemics/pandemics IMO there should be a new system (similar to tsunami warning system if you want) through which countries could alert each other and collaborate.
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Old 05.06.2020, 10:13
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Not weirder. In the environment there was a rush to publish results before adequate checking, rechecking and re-re-checking were done. Regretfully the media picked it up and thinking they had embarrassing evidence for POTUS ran with it without doibg their own checks.

I think the evidence is clear, it does little harm, but absolutely no good.
The Lancet is a very reputable medical magazine so one cannot really fault the media for picking up the story and, of course, there was no way they could check the validity of the study. Probably the Lancet was more interested to stop unnecessary deaths than to provide embarrassing evidence for POTUS.

Seems the owners of the raw data used for the study have refused to release it so the study can not be checked, our expert statisticians will confirm the analysis of the raw data is essential to support conclusions.

Meanwhile, the coronavirus death rate in the US continues inexorably at over 1,000 per day. casting doubt on the wisdom of winding down the lockdown. For example in Florida both the three and seven-day averages of new cases are trending up, some sources showing the daily number of new cases yesterday were the highest ever.

Here is a link to a John Hopkins report showing which US states are trending up and down.

Edit: A forecast published by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention now projects more than 127,000 coronavirus deaths in the country by June 27.
Remember when the forecast for the US for the whole pandemic was less than half this at 60,000?
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I am not surprised.
There was already some criticism against this study coming from a part of the medical community itself.

What is rather telling in this whole affair is the fact that WHO has made some recommendations without carefully checking their facts.

WHO could have great results in running some programmes for fighting diseases such as Tuberculosis or malaria etc on a global scale etc but by no means are they able to provide answers and make decisions in every single area.

As for epidemics/pandemics IMO there should be a new system (similar to tsunami warning system if you want) through which countries could alert each other and collaborate.
Greenmount. The WHO is not charged with making decisions. As with every UN organisation they rely on decisions made by member states. They are not a police force, they cannot compel member countries to do anything. The only UN body that has any authority is the Security Council.
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Greenmount. The WHO is not charged with making decisions. As with every UN organisation they rely on decisions made by member states. They are not a police force, they cannot compel member countries to do anything. The only UN body that has any authority is the Security Council.
Bowlie, bowlie, bowlie....


Perhaps you misunderstood, in fact I didn't say they are in charge with making decisions, but it seems many people (not only on EF) expect or want them to act like that...


However, most people criticised that they launched recommendations that were neither accurate, nor useful during this pandemic. As with this particular medicine that Trump (falsely) recommended as some sort of prophylaxis in the fight against covid 19. Due to their recommendations, some countries banned entirely the use of this medicine to treat the new respiratory syndrome, and WHO reviewed their opinions only later and I guess, as a result of some pressures.

As for the "they are not police force"...I have said exactly this earlier in this thread. I can look for my post and quote it for you again, you're underestimating me. Get off that high horse of yours.

And, we might agree to disagree on one thing: WHO shouldn't be made entirely responsible for this pandemic, but on the other hand nor should this organisation have so many responsibilities.
High time for change. Not Trump style, but change.

Again, let's agree to disagree.

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And yet there is no evidence the trump malaria pills do anything other than cost depleting resources.

Somebody is getting very rich, we just don’t know who. ... Yet
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As for epidemics/pandemics IMO there should be a new system (similar to tsunami warning system if you want) through which countries could alert each other and collaborate.
There is such a system -- it's the WHO, and it works very well when its members (countries) cooperate. But that's the same problem that any replacement warning system would have: it would depend on countries being open, transparent and cooperative.
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Will Trump be a Good President?

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Washington DC mayor calls on Trump to pull troops and federal forces out of city
Muriel Bowser objects to unidentified forces – from Green Berets to prison guards – operating outside police chain of command
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It must be very difficult to be the mayor and have the President filling your city with armed forces over which you have no control.

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Several of those units – including military police, United States park police and Secret Service – were involved in violent scenes on Tuesday when officers fired teargas and rubber bullets to clear peaceful protesters from outside the White House.

Since then, groups of uniformed officers in helmets and body armour – often without identifying insignia – have appeared in Washington, expanding a security perimeter around the White House into the city’s commercial district – and prompting questions about who was in control of the streets and the public right of way.

In her letter, Bowser pointed out that the Washington metropolitan police had not carried out a single arrest at the demonstrations since Wednesday night, and she was ending the state of emergency in the district.

“Therefore I’m requesting that you withdraw all extraordinary federal law enforcement and military presence from Washington DC,” the mayor told Trump.

The mayor underlined her defiance of the president by giving permission for the words “Black Lives Matter” to be painted in giant yellow letters on the road leading to the White House. The painting began in the early hours of Friday morning and was finished before noon.

She told journalists the last block of 16th St before the White House, would officially be renamed “Black Lives Matter Plaza”.
Must be like living in Moscow.

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This was about violently clearing peaceful protestors from Lafayette Park so Trump could walk to the "Church of Presidents" for a photo op where he was the first US president ever to fail to pray.

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Did I just hear the video clip of Trump correctly? Today is a great day for George Floyd because the job numbers are better...WTAF is that?!?!
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Did I just hear the video clip of Trump correctly? Today is a great day for George Floyd because the job numbers are better...WTAF is that?!?!
That press conference speech/diatribe was unbearable! Uggh!
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Did I just hear the video clip of Trump correctly? Today is a great day for George Floyd because the job numbers are better...WTAF is that?!?!
And now he is cheering an unemployment rate of 13%!!
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Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump

“Really great numbers by any standard - UNBELIEVABLE!” @JoeSquawk
Joe go it right also!
6:29 PM · Jun 5, 2020
WTF

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I am a big fan of Drew Brees. I think he’s truly one of the greatest quarterbacks, but he should not have taken back his original stance on honoring our magnificent American Flag.
OLD GLORY is to be revered, cherished, and flown high We should be standing up straight and tall, ideally with a salute, or a hand on heart.
There are other things you can protest, but not our Great American Flag -
NO KNEELING!
Meanwhile, a real leader
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Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau kneels at the protest against racism and police brutality
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Will Trump be a Good President?

Jfk, how can anyone support him? truly he made a statement by holding the bible upside down after sending his goons to clear away peaceful protesters, never has anyone done more to show what modern conservatives are.

Where are all those ar15 weilding guys who were protesting tyranny because they couldn’t get haircuts? The us police treated them real nice, kinda like, well

And he’s blaming antifa? Wtf is antifa? there’s no such thing as an organized group, at some point most people realize armed police procuring military grade gear is, just fascist, and anyone opposing them, by definition, antifa

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