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Old 07.06.2020, 15:19
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Sometimes when reading opinions and philosophies here on EF that have an outright blatant penchant, which seem deliberately written to stir a reaction, I wonder..
Perhaps we’re just a social experiment, where some intentionally stir the pot to create a directed premeditated debate?

I think I’ll preciously keep my freedom of thought.
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Trump went way beyond the conventional "dirty politics".....unfortunately.

Will never ever understand the Reps.'s choice. It does seem they want to sway voters away from politics.

There was a time (I heard, I have never lived it personally) when politics also meant debate, rational arguments. It's a sad, sad circus what we see. I can only describe it as a strategy of distraction and divisiveness.

Twitter allowed him to do whatever he wanted so far, don't see the reason for which they don't do that anymore. That's just ridiculous imo.

Besides everyone can see for themselves, no media stories as interface.
Twitter like the rest of America gets worried about being sued so tweets encouraging violence or breaching copyright make them nervous.

Consequently, they either mark them as not factual or as in the case of copyright issues then they must remove them.
Actually no reason for Trump and his campaign to breach copyright when they could easily ask permission from the copyright owners or actually pay a licence fee; problem is that Trump hates paying for anything when he can try to slither out of paying.
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Sometimes when reading opinions and philosophies here on EF that have an outright blatant penchant, which seem deliberately written to stir a reaction, I wonder..
Perhaps we’re just a social experiment, where some intentionally stir the pot to create a directed premeditated debate?

I think I’ll preciously keep my freedom of thought.
Sometimes it’s not worth responding.
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Here's a suggestion for an early step in that warning system: Check sanity of the president of the USA.
WHO and Trump shouldn't be that closely connected. I personally think they should either improve their activity, or just delegate some of their functions to another entity - more transparency, less bureaucracy, less corruption. This pandemic and the consequent accusations coming from apparently one hundred countries should be a question mark imo. But then I personally question big organisations all the time. I'm never happy with the status quo.
I'm not saying anything about Trump's sanity, that's neither here nor there.
Also, debated ad nauseam on EF.

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Twitter like the rest of America gets worried about being sued so tweets encouraging violence or breaching copyright make them nervous.

Consequently, they either mark them as not factual or as in the case of copyright issues then they must remove them.
Actually no reason for Trump and his campaign to breach copyright when they could easily ask permission from the copyright owners or actually pay a licence fee; problem is that Trump hates paying for anything when he can try to slither out of paying.
Yes, I can go back and quote myself writing almost the same things, marton. My point is they didn't care about all of these for 4 years for goodness sake, why now. It's a lil' too late imho.
No respect, neither gratitude for and to twitter.

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Too late.

Should've. I mean myself.

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Old 07.06.2020, 16:31
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WHO and Trump shouldn't be that closely connected. I personally think they should either improve their activity, or just delegate some of their functions to another entity - more transparency, less bureaucracy, less corruption. This pandemic and the consequent accusations coming from apparently one hundred countries should be a question mark imo. But then I personally question big organisations all the time. I'm never happy with the status quo.
I'm not saying anything about Trump's sanity, that's neither here nor there.
Also, debated ad nauseam on EF.



Yes, I can go back and quote myself writing almost the same things, marton. My point is they didn't care about all of these for 4 years for goodness sake, why now. It's a lil' too late imho.
No respect, neither gratitude for and to twitter.



Too late.

Should've. I mean myself.
Accusations is a bit strong?

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A motion to establish an independent review into the global response and origins of the coronavirus has been unanimously adopted at the World Health Assembly.

None of the World Health Organization's (WHO) 194 members, including China and the United States, objected to the resolution.

It calls for an "impartial, independent and comprehensive evaluation" of the international response to the pandemic so world leaders can decipher what has worked and what hasn't worked.

The motion also calls for the source of the coronavirus to be identified so health officials can understand how the virus passed from animal to human to prevent similar transmissions in the future.
About Twitter; kinow the expression "better late than never"?
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About Twitter; kinow the expression "better late than never"?
Yeah, but no thanks. They lost me at least...

Also, accusations could be strong indeed, let's say suspicions..
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The Justice Department is pressing forward with its criminal case against a former business partner of Michael Flynn, despite Attorney General William Barr’s controversial decision to seek to abandon the prosecution of the former national security adviser to President Donald Trump.
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This is an interesting situation!

Firstly because prosecutors are seeking the appeals court’s intervention after the district court judge who handled Rafiekian’s trial ordered his acquittal despite the jury finding him guilty on both counts after a few hours of deliberations last July.

Secondly, because of Flynn’s integral role in the work that led to the two foreign-agent-related felony charges against Rafiekian and maintains the government’s position that Flynn was a co-conspirator in his business partner’s crimes — a curious stance as the government seeks to drop the criminal case it brought against Flynn more than two years ago.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

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Attorney General William Barr said Monday that Washington, D.C., protests last month were so violent that the U.S. Secret Service recommended President Trump be moved to an underground bunker at the White House, undercutting the president’s own claims that he visited to the bunker for an "inspection."

"Trump denied that the Secret Service recommended he move to the bunker for safety reasons but claimed that “they said it would be a good time to go down, take a look, because maybe sometime you’re going to need it.”
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Old 09.06.2020, 21:36
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

This tweet even managed to score push back from GOP senators.

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Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur.
75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment.
@OANN

I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner.
Could be a set up?
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This 75-year-old Martin Gugino fell harder to frame the police?
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Old 09.06.2020, 21:57
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This 75-year-old Martin Gugino fell harder to frame the police?
Yep, he smacked his own head into the ground extra hard, to make a more 'impactful' noise for the soon-to-be viral video. The 'blood' streaming from his ears was just ketchup.

Crisis actors are talented these days.
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He wasn’t pushed that hard, but was pushed and he was walking backwards. I doubt they had the intent to injure him.

On the other hand none of them, despite seeing the blood, did anything to help him
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Old 09.06.2020, 22:27
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He wasn’t pushed that hard, but was pushed and he was walking backwards. I doubt they had the intent to injure him.

On the other hand none of them, despite seeing the blood, did anything to help him
Police are not supposed to "push people", regardless of how hard; they have a whole range of approved actions.

Whether or not they had the intent to injure him they crossed a line and now have to face the consequences.
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...Whether or not they had the intent to injure him they crossed a line and now have to face the consequences.
...or not. There's a reason it's called the Blue Wall.
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Two Buffalo US policemen have been charged with second-degree assault for shoving 75-year-old protester

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John Evans, president of the local police union, told the Buffalo News newspaper: "I don't know how much contact was made. He did slip in my estimation. He fell backward."

Luckily there is a video of the incident.
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Two Buffalo US policemen have been charged with second-degree assault for shoving 75-year-old protester

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John Evans, president of the local police union, told the Buffalo News newspaper: "I don't know how much contact was made. He did slip in my estimation. He fell backward."

Luckily there is a video of the incident.
Well, what was he doing there in the first place, walking toward a whole line of riot police and soldiers, yelling to go away?
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Well, what was he doing there in the first place, walking toward a whole line of riot police and soldiers, yelling to go away?
He was exercising his first amendment right to peacefully protest which the riot police and soldiers were illegally preventing.
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He was exercising his first amendment right to peacefully protest which the riot police and soldiers were illegally preventing.
You don't think that a police order which clearly states "go away", would explain why he shouldn't have been there in the first place?

Now, believe it or not, I've done some dumb stuff in my life. Never would I be caught dead in front of a line of riot police, looking like stormtroopers who really mean business. I would take my peaceful protest to an area where I'm allowed to peacfully protest.
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I am so disheartened as to what has occurred in the US the last two weeks.

I am aghast at the killing of George Floyd - a travesty on all levels! And those who perpetrated this crime - need to be punished in my view.

But the rioting, looting - abject lawlessness? NO! Peaceful protests are worthy but something has to change with the violence run amok in the US.

And now some States advocate "Defunding the Police"? How does that work exactly?

Something is clearly wrong in the US. Just watched an interview with William Barr and when questioned about recent events in Washington, he countered, "People are executing their first amendment rights to free speech; how does that override the constitutional right for others to practice freedom of religion?" Note, that in some states people can protest but cannot attend religious services.

A valid point which many governors in the US ignore. How can one constitutional right override another? What a mess the US finds itself...Ughhh! I, for one, am demoralized/dejected...
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I am so disheartened as to what has occurred in the US the last two weeks.

I am aghast at the killing of George Floyd - a travesty on all levels! And those who perpetrated this crime - need to be punished in my view.

But the rioting, looting - abject lawlessness? NO! Peaceful protests are worthy but something has to change with the violence run amok in the US.

And now some States advocate "Defunding the Police"? How does that work exactly?

Something is clearly wrong in the US. Just watched an interview with William Barr and when questioned about recent events in Washington, he countered, "People are executing their first amendment rights to free speech; how does that override the constitutional right for others to practice freedom of religion?" Note, that in some states people can protest but cannot attend religious services.

A valid point which many governors in the US ignore. How can one constitutional right override another? What a mess the US finds itself...Ughhh! I, for one, am demoralized/dejected...
It is not true that people cannot attend religious services. What is not allowed is to breach social distancing guidelines by attending in-church services but there are enough alternatives online or in TV.
Even most church leaders support the bans on in-church services.

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You don't think that a police order which clearly states "go away", would explain why he shouldn't have been there in the first place?

Now, believe it or not, I've done some dumb stuff in my life. Never would I be caught dead in front of a line of riot police, looking like stormtroopers who really mean business. I would take my peaceful protest to an area where I'm allowed to peacfully protest.
Illegal police orders?

"The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) on Monday wrote an open letter to the U.N. Human Rights Council calling for an emergency session of the global body and an investigation into police violence and repression of protests in the U.S."

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I am so disheartened as to what has occurred in the US the last two weeks.

I am aghast at the killing of George Floyd - a travesty on all levels! And those who perpetrated this crime - need to be punished in my view.

But the rioting, looting - abject lawlessness? NO! Peaceful protests are worthy but something has to change with the violence run amok in the US.

And now some States advocate "Defunding the Police"? How does that work exactly?

Something is clearly wrong in the US. Just watched an interview with William Barr and when questioned about recent events in Washington, he countered, "People are executing their first amendment rights to free speech; how does that override the constitutional right for others to practice freedom of religion?" Note, that in some states people can protest but cannot attend religious services.

A valid point which many governors in the US ignore. How can one constitutional right override another? What a mess the US finds itself...Ughhh! I, for one, am demoralized/dejected...
It is true the protests are a COVID-19 risk!
"The D.C. National Guard confirmed Tuesday that multiple members have tested positive for coronavirus following their deployment to respond to protests around the White House in response to the police killing of George Floyd."
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Something is clearly wrong in the US. Just watched an interview with William Barr and when questioned about recent events in Washington, he countered, "People are executing their first amendment rights to free speech; how does that override the constitutional right for others to practice freedom of religion?" Note, that in some states people can protest but cannot attend religious services.

A valid point which many governors in the US ignore. How can one constitutional right override another? What a mess the US finds itself...Ughhh! I, for one, am demoralized/dejected...
That's quite funny if you think about, but what about sports competitions for instance? I pity all the athletes who lost precious months from they professional careers, which are rather limited by age anyway.
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