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Also, something I'm trying to wrap my head around... Why is it that Trump can slur or make a mistake, and none of his supporters try to turn it into being a sign of dementia, but if Biden slurs or makes a mistake, then it instantly becomes a sign of Biden having dementia?
It's a very short memory span you must have. There have been countless claims that Trump had some sort of a mental problem. Even been claimed right here on the EF.

Strange now that you can't get your head around that only happening to Biden.
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It's a very short memory span you must have. There have been countless claims that Trump had some sort of a mental problem. Even been claimed right here on the EF.

Strange now that you can't get your head around that only happening to Biden.
I don't recall anyone talking about Trump having dementia here. But what I do remember is talking about the fact that Trump has been informally diagnosed with psychopathy by some psychiatrists (and there is specific diagnostic criteria for that -- namely, the Hare Psychopathy Checklist).

I specifically asked for examples of Biden having dementia to be posted / evidenced here, but I have yet to see any. And I asked for them because, again, I am unable to see any signs of dementia when I watch Biden speak. And again, what I do see is a man who sometimes tries to adjust his speech patterns due to having a stuttering disorder.

Here is, by the way, a video of Trump making fun of Biden's stuttering disorder:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9352036.html
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People are becoming so uncontrollably frustrated by Trump that I worry he may be assassinated by someone who feels Trump is responsible for their troubles.
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A lot of people didn't like him in 2016 but literally hate him now. And I've seen quite a few people who voted Republican in 2016 say that they are now voting Democrat. In 2016, people who voted for Trump really had no idea what he would actually prove himself to be, as president. It's easy to sway people with promises and rhetoric, but "the proof is in the pudding" so to speak. And I think that, for many Americans, Trump's handling of the pandemic, in particular, has really exposed what kind of leader -- and person -- he truly is.
One small ray of hope is a grassroots campaign, a series of videos by the group Republican Voters Against Trump - there are hundreds on Youtube.

In these, normal everyday voters - most lifelong republicans, conservative, 'values voters', express their disappointment in Trump, and explain why they now cannot, as conservative values-based voters, in good conscience vote for him in 2020, and will instead vote for Biden. Most of the videos are simply shot by the voter, on his or her phone. They are heartfelt, a call to return to decency, and carry a message I hope resonates with the millions of conservative (as in not Trumpian) republicans.
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People are becoming so uncontrollably frustrated by Trump that I worry he may be assassinated by someone who feels Trump is responsible for their troubles.
Seems okay to me. I keep getting told on this forum that people in the U.S.A. need their plethora of guns so, if needs be, they can rise up against the government.

As far as I see it, shooting him dead is their "god-given right" and roughly in line with the 2nd amendment.
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Old 17.07.2020, 10:33
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People are becoming so uncontrollably frustrated by Trump that I worry he may be assassinated by someone who feels Trump is responsible for their troubles.
I don't think people are frustrated with Trump because they're blaming him for their troubles. I think they're frustrated with Trump because he lies and distorts the truth, bullies, blame-shifts and refuses to take any responsibility for his own actions.
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People are becoming so uncontrollably frustrated by Trump that I worry he may be assassinated by someone who feels Trump is responsible for their troubles.
I have a feeling that society there might have nourished this 'I am a victim' attitude. All the ailments that there are, even 500 years ago, today and tomorrow must infact surely be ___' fault. You can fill in whoever designated person might currently be. The easiest to blame, logistically, will be those who still have something to lose in the process of this 'justification and punishment': money, power, dignity, presidency, status, reputation, role.

Trump gave a lot of governance to individual states, as was always his intention. As it is here, too, and it works. Because there is a strong sense of local responsibility. It is foolish to hold him responsible for all the malfunctioning there is and I find the wrath misguided, going against local progress. Focusing unconstructive wrath on one very far away person who may not even be responsible nor have impact can only last so long.
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I have a feeling that society there might have nourished this 'I am a victim' attitude. All the ailments that there are, even 500 years ago, today and tomorrow must infact surely be ___' fault. You can fill in whoever designated person might currently be. The easiest to blame, logistically, will be those who still have something to lose in the process of this 'justification and punishment': money, power, digity, presidency, status, reputation, role.

Trump gave a lot of governance to individual states, as was always his intention. As it is here, too, and it works. Because there is a strong sense of local responsibility. It is foolish to hold him responsible for all the malfunctioning there is and I find the wrath misguided, going against local progress. Focusing unconstructive wrath on one very far away person who may not even be responsible nor have impact can only last so long.
No, Trump initially claimed to have ultimate authority over individual states and their governors and those governors' decisions to re-open their states. He claimed this during a press conference (see link below). In his own words: "When someone is president of the United States, the authority is total. It's total, and the governors know that." And then when he was corrected on that and realized that he doesn't have ultimate authority, he told governors to handle the virus situations in their states themselves. Then, as some of those governors expressed that they were not comfortable with ending their lockdowns because the numbers were still so high (e.g. Michigan), Trump pressured people to protest against those governors, to demand an end to their lockdowns.

Trump falsely claims he has 'total' authority
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhni0fYpnXI

Trump Encourages Protest Against Governors Who Have Imposed Virus Restrictions
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/u...governors.html

So now, most states (if not all) had ended their lockdowns, and some after being pressured to do so, and the numbers are dramatically rising in some or many of those states, such as Florida and Texas, which are beginning to reverse their decision to re-open everything and are beginning to experience a shortage of hospital beds.

Why is it that you feel that the president of the Unites States should be immune to criticism or being held accountable for the consequences of their actions and decisions?
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Old 17.07.2020, 16:02
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Johns Hopkins; yesterday, the US reported 77,255 new confirmed cases and 943 deaths.
Worldometers; yesterday, 73,388 new confirmed cases and 963 deaths.
COVID Tracking Project; yesterday, 71,229 new confirmed cases and 977 deaths.
Record breaking numbers of new cases.

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Sixty percent of Americans disapprove of President Trump’s handling of the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, according to a new Post-ABC News poll.

The survey released Friday found that 38 percent of Americans approve of the president’s handling of the pandemic, down from 46 percent who said the same in May and 51 percent of respondents in March.

The president’s disapproval rating on his handling of the pandemic is up from 53 percent in May and 45 percent in March.
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It is ridiculous to claim the State Governors are responsible, in such a severe pandemic the national government has to take a strong lead.

BTW, at this point in the 2016 race. Clinton had a 1.1-point lead over Trump in the national polling average. Right now, Biden has a 9.1-point average lead over Trump in national polls, of course there are still 110 days to o.
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Can the POTUS actually do anything?
Can masks be mandated down from the federal level?


Georgia Governor Brian "So Conservative" Kemp just ordered various cities to stop mandating masks in shops....


America has always been its own worst enemy - and never has it become more obvious than in the last couple of months.
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I think he can. If he was to direct facecoverings for all residents and request state governments to implement his directive they likely would fall over themselves to do so. As long as they have someone else to blame.

Anyone who objected are free to use the courts but I seriously doubt the Supremes would reject such action. American lives are literally at stake.
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i just finished watching the live White House press briefing given by Trump's press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany. aka Evil Barbie.

As always, she ended the press conference very abruptly after making an attack on Biden and Obama that was completely off-course. It just came out of nowhere. So she makes the attack on Biden, suddenly closes her notes and walks away, accepting no more questions from the press. In other words, refusing to allow anyone in the press to question her on her attacks against Biden. And she does this every time. It's extremely immature. She was also doing her best to try to convince Americans that Trump has been handling the situation with the virus better than any other country.
It's her job. She's there to tell his side of the story even if it doesn't coincide with reality. And the media eats it up.

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Can the POTUS actually do anything?
Can masks be mandated down from the federal level?
His task force certainly could have been more consistent and provided better advice all the way. His government could have avoided competing with states in bidding wars for PPE and instead helped them to acquire it. We're months into this thing and Pence is telling medical professionals to reuse PPE. Really? Where's the "we are the best and we have the most and you'll have everything you need" now? They almost dissolved the task force in May.

Instead of downplaying the whole thing, calling it a hoax, etc. the administration could have and should have taken more of a leadership role. As soon as Trump realized he couldn't lie this virus away, he shifted to governors being responsible, because he always needs someone else to blame.

Except even that strategy is a bit shaky. Right now 6 of the 7 states with highest daily infection rates have Republican governors - including FL and TX.
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Can the POTUS actually do anything?
Can masks be mandated down from the federal level?


Georgia Governor Brian "So Conservative" Kemp just ordered various cities to stop mandating masks in shops....


America has always been its own worst enemy - and never has it become more obvious than in the last couple of months.
As it is now, Trump and his administration have not been pushing for masks to be made mandatory (Trump himself usually refuses to wear a mask in public with the exception of one time a week or so ago). I think they are reluctant to push for mandatory masks because Trump fears it will piss off a lot of his supporters, which might equate to him getting less votes. There is actually an "anti-mask movement" going on in the US right now , and many of them are Trump supporters. I've been seeing headlines in the news about various murders, etc. occurring due to fights in stores about masks.

Today, there was a headline about a woman in a store in the US who was refusing to wear a mask even though the store had made them mandatory. When an employee asked her to wear one, she went into a rage about it and left. An hour or so later, her son and husband walked into the store and her son put a bullet into the employee's head and killed him. I've also seen incidents in the news about people deliberately coughing on or spitting on an employee when they are asked to wear a mask.

I think it's so very true what you wrote -- that America is its own worst enemy. I feel so disgusted by what I have seen happening in the US lately. People are claiming that their personal freedom (to not wear a mask) is more important than trying to help to save lives.
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It's her job. She's there to tell his side of the story even if it doesn't coincide with reality. And the media eats it up.
But that's the problem -- that she and her boss don't care if their side of the story coincides with reality.

I agree that the media eats it up, but at the same time, there is a pandemic going on right now -- people are dying -- and there is also an election coming up. People should be paying attention, shouldn't they?
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The NYTs seven-day average is still increasing ...

I think we are about to see dramatic increases in the death rates as we saw dramatic increases in the infection rates a couple of weeks ago.
Probably not, fortunately, at least for quite a while.

According to Fauci ten days ago, the average age of the new test-positives has dropped by 15 years when compared to April-May.
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Probably not, fortunately, at least for quite a while.

According to Fauci ten days ago, the average age of the new test-positives has dropped by 15 years when compared to April-May.
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Can the POTUS actually do anything?
I don't remember which state that was, but one governor was personally present when medical supplies arrived at the airport to protect them, if necessary, from being confiscated by federal actors. Possibly after these volunteers saw that happen to them.

It's definitely the government's job to coordinate efforts for things every state will need. For instance developing virus tests, treatment, drugs. It's also useful to coordinate procurement of materials and equipment (ventilators!), or centralise the purchases, not least to keep the individual actors/states from repeatedly overbidding each other and driving prices ever higher.

FDA and CDC exist for a reason. FEMA and whatnot. And it would have been useful to have a White House pandemic office, the very office Trump shut down in 2017.

And only the POTUS has the power to force companies to adjust production to the country's needs.
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Usually the age distribution is roughly constant. I find it difficult to see a pattern though, or a rough average, the number of deaths is pretty much all over the place.

In CH, among people younger than 50, out of ~16k cases, less than 650 had to be hospitalised and "only" 10 died.
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Interesting, maybe more facts about Trump's alleged crimes will emerge before the election?
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The Supreme Court on Friday granted the Manhattan district attorney's request to expedite its recent decision rejecting President Trump's claims of absolute immunity from a subpoena for eight years of tax returns.

Chief Justice John Roberts ordered the decision to go into effect immediately. The president's legal team did not oppose the move.

The order will allow the remaining proceedings at the district court level to advance more swiftly. It normally takes nearly a month for the Supreme Court's decisions to go into effect.
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This gives Trump's lawyers the opportunity to argue in the district court against the subpoena. It will be difficult for them to construct new convincing arguments, the district court judge has already ruled against the usual arguments in such cases. The Supreme Court destroyed the others.

Record number of new virus cases yesterday and deaths over 940.
Meanwhile Spanky's last tweet a week ago was about his fantasy world.
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China Virus Mortality Rate is among the LOWEST of any country.
Shaping up for a good third quarter, and a great next year! NASDAQ at new record high, 401k’s way up!!!!
In reality according to Worldometers there are 210 countries with lower Mortality Rates, and only nine with higher.
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Record number of new virus cases yesterday and deaths over 940.
Meanwhile Spanky's last tweet a week ago was about his fantasy world.

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In reality according to Worldometers there are 210 countries with lower Mortality Rates, and only nine with higher.
I think Trump knows that no matter what he says, even when it's a deliberate lie or a complete distortion of the truth, his supporters will still believe him.

Last night, my husband was watching a Joe Rogan podcast where a stock broker / economist was being interviewed (I can't remember his name), and I watched a bit of it. He's a Republican but apparently will not be voting for Trump this November. He said that when Trump was running for office the first time, he was saying that the unemployment rate was 30% () and was blaming that on Obama. And then very soon after taking office, Trump began to brag that the unemployment rate was only 4% and was taking credit for it (the unemployment rate at the end of 2016, when Obama was still in office, had already been steadily declining and was down to 4.7%). The guy said that slowly he began to realize the ways Trump completely distorts the truth to try to make himself look better than he is and to try to make his opponents look bad.
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I think Trump knows that no matter what he says, even when it's a deliberate lie or a complete distortion of the truth, his supporters will still believe him.
And the illiberal left and the Dems will try to distort and misrepresent it in every way they can even if he says something true.
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