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Old 18.07.2020, 19:27
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And the illiberal left and the Dems will try to distort and misrepresent it in every way they can even if he says something true.
I doubt there are sufficient instances of Trump telling the truth to have a statistically sound analysis of the Dems actions.
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Old 18.07.2020, 20:20
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I doubt there are sufficient instances of Trump telling the truth to have a statistically sound analysis of the Dems actions.
Not even the Dems have a sound analysis of their actions:
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And the illiberal left and the Dems will try to distort and misrepresent it in every way they can even if he says something true.
That’s a bit of a stereotype don’t you think. I doubt that everyone left of centre try and distort and misrepresent. Just like everyone right of centre isn’t a white suprematist and a facist. I believe the majority of US people are closer to the centre. But it is those on the extremes that get the media coverage.
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And the illiberal left and the Dems will try to distort and misrepresent it in every way they can even if he says something true.
Yeah, like the time he said that the coronavirus was no big deal and would just go away like a miracle... Or that new "environment friendly" lightbulbs can cause cancer. And that time he tweeted that "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."
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That’s a bit of a stereotype don’t you think. I doubt that everyone left of centre try and distort and misrepresent. Just like everyone right of centre isn’t a white suprematist and a facist. I believe the majority of US people are closer to the centre. But it is those on the extremes that get the media coverage.
I wrote "the illiberal left" for a reason, rather than "the left". I agree with the rest of what you wrote.

I see "illiberal left", "extreme left", "those supporting cancel culture", possibly along with other terms, as by and large congruent and basically synonymous. The problem is the totalitarian tendencies that keep getting stronger, with the advent of "cancel culture" they have reached fascistoid territory. Since "illiberal left" makes the issue the most clear (the least ambiguous) I've come to prefer that term over the others.
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Old 18.07.2020, 21:22
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Yeah, like the time he said that the coronavirus was no big deal and would just go away like a miracle... Or that new "environment friendly" lightbulbs can cause cancer. And that time he tweeted that "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."
And windmills cause cancer.... and they claim Biden is gaga.
Such a powerful country finds such rubbish leaders
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Old 18.07.2020, 21:24
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I wrote "the illiberal left" for a reason, rather than "the left". I agree with the rest of what you wrote.

I see "illiberal left", "extreme left", "those supporting cancel culture", possibly along with other terms, as by and large congruent and basically synonymous. The problem is the totalitarian tendencies that keep getting stronger, with the advent of "cancel culture" they have reached fascistoid territory. Since "illiberal left" makes the issue the most clear (the least ambiguous) I've come to prefer that term over the others.
Cancel culture like Paris agreement, Iran agreement, Russian armament deals, WHO.....
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that’s a bit of a stereotype don’t you think. I doubt that everyone left of centre try and distort and misrepresent. Just like everyone right of centre isn’t a white suprematist and a facist. I believe the majority of us people are closer to the centre. But it is those on the extremes that get the media coverage.

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Cancel culture like Paris agreement, Iran agreement, Russian armament deals, WHO.....
... and all the people he's fired and tried to demonize via his Twitter account simply for disagreeing with him.
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I wrote "the illiberal left" for a reason, rather than "the left". I agree with the rest of what you wrote.

I see "illiberal left", "extreme left", "those supporting cancel culture", possibly along with other terms, as by and large congruent and basically synonymous. The problem is the totalitarian tendencies that keep getting stronger, with the advent of "cancel culture" they have reached fascistoid territory. Since "illiberal left" makes the issue the most clear (the least ambiguous) I've come to prefer that term over the others.
You wrote "the illiberal left and the Dems". That covers a huge swathe of the American people, depending on exactly what you meant by "the Dems"—Democratic Party members? Registered Democrat voters? People who tend to vote Democrat? Whatever, the two groups put together certainly make up.a lot more than just an extreme of the political spectrum. In fact, "the Dems" pretty much defines "the left" in the US.
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Old 19.07.2020, 04:42
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Trump tweeted a video last night featuring the Linkin Park song "In the End". Linkin Park's lead singer, Chester Bennington, despised Trump, tweeting in 2015, "Donald Trump is a greater threat to the United States than terrorism", so it's unlikely that the song was used with the band's permission.

Furthermore, the song that Trump used was a cover, definitely used without the performers' blessing, as they tweeted "Never thought I would have to tell the president not to play my music but HEY BUDDY U DIDN'T LICENSE THIS AND I WOULD NEVER APPROVE IT. Unacceptable".

So it's unsurprising that Twitter has now deleted Trump's video and replaced it with an embarrassing message referencing a complaint over copyright. Good to see an artist standing up to Trump on this issue, at last.
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And the illiberal left and the Dems will try to distort and misrepresent it in every way they can even if he says something true.
I don't know....fighting fire with fire?
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A surreal situation in Portland Oregon where Trump has sent in his Federal Stormtroopers to restore "law and order" against the wishes of the local and State authorities.

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Reports Friday of federal officers, clad in unmarked military fatigues and driving unmarked vans, picking up and detaining protestors raised more red flags and drew strong pushback from the state's congressional delegation.
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Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler (D) tweeted Thursday that he made it clear to Chad Wolf — acting secretary of the Department of Homeland Security — that "we do not need or want" assistance from federal officers.
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"I told Acting Secretary Wolf that the federal government should remove all federal officers from our streets," Gov. Kate Brown (D) also tweeted Thursday. "His response showed me he is on a mission to provoke confrontation for political purposes. He is putting both Oregonians and local law enforcement officers in harm’s way."
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Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum announced she filed a federal civil lawsuit on Friday evening against the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Marshals Service and U.S. Customs and Border Protection to begin the process for a restraining order to stop the agents “from unlawfully detaining Oregonians.”
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Meanwhile Tulsa sees Covid-19 surge in the wake of Trump's June rally

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Contrary to Trump propaganda Black Lives Matter protests have not led to a spike in coronavirus cases, research says
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You wrote "the illiberal left and the Dems". That covers a huge swathe of the American people, depending on exactly what you meant by "the Dems"—Democratic Party members? Registered Democrat voters? People who tend to vote Democrat? Whatever, the two groups put together certainly make up.a lot more than just an extreme of the political spectrum. In fact, "the Dems" pretty much defines "the left" in the US.
The distortions and misrepresentations happen in and by the media. With the Dems I meant the people with a voice. Like, journalists. Not the Jane Ques who decide to vote for Biden.
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Meanwhile Tulsa sees Covid-19 surge in the wake of Trump's June rally
Not so certain that can be correct. 500 infections? Isn’t that more than the number that showed up?
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The distortions and misrepresentations happen in and by the media. With the Dems I meant the people with a voice. Like, journalists. Not the Jane Ques who decide to vote for Biden.
I am sure you have enough examples to establish a pattern of such media behaviour.

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Meanwhile Tulsa sees Covid-19 surge in the wake of Trump's June rally

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For the week ending June 18, Oklahoma registered 9,354 new test-positives.
For the week ending July 2nd, Oklahoma registered 14,539 new test-positives.
With 6200 people attending Trump's rally, basically everybody would need to have been infected to account for the jump for this increase alone, nevermind the weeks after.

This is exactly the kind of misrepresentations and lies I had in mind when I wrote #23420.

Thank you for making my case, marton.
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For the week ending June 18, Oklahoma registered 9,354 new test-positives.
For the week ending July 2nd, Oklahoma registered 14,539 new test-positives.
With 6200 people attending Trump's rally, basically everybody would need to have been infected to account for the jump for this increase alone, nevermind the weeks after.

This is exactly the kind of misrepresentations and lies I had in mind when I wrote #23420.

Thank you for making my case, marton.
Well, 10% of them could have been infected, stopped at the pub (tavern) on their way hom, went to Denny’s for a quick bite to eat before going home to nfect their relatives. Not inconceivable that an infected couple, not distancing or wearing masks could have each infected 15 or 20 others, who went on to infect 5 or 6 each, who all went on to ...
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For the week ending June 18, Oklahoma registered 9,354 new test-positives.
For the week ending July 2nd, Oklahoma registered 14,539 new test-positives.
With 6200 people attending Trump's rally, basically everybody would need to have been infected to account for the jump for this increase alone, nevermind the weeks after.

This is exactly the kind of misrepresentations and lies I had in mind when I wrote #23420.

Thank you for making my case, marton.
My post was about "Tulsa sees Covid-19 surge"; Tulsa is not the only county in Oklahoma generating new cases.
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For the week ending June 18, Oklahoma registered 9,354 new test-positives.
For the week ending July 2nd, Oklahoma registered 14,539 new test-positives.
With 6200 people attending Trump's rally, basically everybody would need to have been infected to account for the jump for this increase alone, nevermind the weeks after.

This is exactly the kind of misrepresentations and lies I had in mind when I wrote #23420.

Thank you for making my case, marton.
I haven't seen anyone or any media outlets saying that the Trump rally alone is accountable for the rise in cases after the rally in Tulsa. But why do you seem to be implying that the Trump rally couldn't have possibly played a role in the rise in the # of cases there, after the rally?

As you said, there were 6,200 people who attended that rally. The overwhelming majority of them were not wearing masks. Also, the overwhelming majority of them were standing very close together (not social distancing at all), and many of them were screaming, which is known to easily transmit the virus.

Also, Trump and his campaign made everyone attending that rally sign a waiver, in advance, and "assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19" before attending the rally. Even Trump and his campaign were clearly very well aware of the risks the rally posed in terms of spreading the virus.

"By attending the Rally, you and any guests voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19 and agree not to hold Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.; BOK Center; ASM Global; or any of their affiliates, directors, officers, employees, agents, contractors, or volunteers liable for any illness or injury."
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...20-6?r=US&IR=T

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