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Well, 10% of them could have been infected, stopped at the pub (tavern) on their way hom, went to Denny’s for a quick bite to eat before going home to nfect their relatives. Not inconceivable that an infected couple, not distancing or wearing masks could have each infected 15 or 20 others, who went on to infect 5 or 6 each, who all went on to ...
It takes multiple days to become infectuous.

Nice try, Sherlock.
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But why do you seem to be implying that the Trump rally couldn't have possibly played a role in the rise in the # of cases there, after the rally?
These deliberate and quite asinine misinterpretations are another part of the problem.
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It takes multiple days to become infectuous.

Nice try, Sherlock.
You know this to be a fact? I agree it was unlikely to have happened that evening, but seeing that the event was 39 days ago, the surge we are seeing would be in the ballpark. And the people attending that rally don’t seem to be the type to self-isolate and wear masks.
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These deliberate and quite asinine misinterpretations are another part of the problem.
Hey! Please play the ball please.
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You know this to be a fact?
Imagine how many people would be infected if we'd be contagious in an hour.

Tho it would be possible we'd still carry the virus on our hands, cloths and such from where we picked it up. Which is why distancing and hygiene are so important.
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I have a feeling that society there might have nourished this 'I am a victim' attitude. All the ailments that there are, even 500 years ago, today and tomorrow must infact surely be ___' fault. You can fill in whoever designated person might currently be. The easiest to blame, logistically, will be those who still have something to lose in the process of this 'justification and punishment': money, power, dignity, presidency, status, reputation, role.

Trump gave a lot of governance to individual states, as was always his intention. As it is here, too, and it works. Because there is a strong sense of local responsibility. It is foolish to hold him responsible for all the malfunctioning there is and I find the wrath misguided, going against local progress. Focusing unconstructive wrath on one very far away person who may not even be responsible nor have impact can only last so long.
Everyone I know there and from there is far away from having a victim mentality (they're quite accomplished professionally and financially) and they're deeply embarrassed with Trump as their president because of his personality and his style. It seems like a very odd thing to do to ask people not to hold their president responsible for what's going on there.

I agree he is not responsible for everything and for all the country's past problems, but he has quite a contribution in the general current mess. People that I now and are actually living there would be very surprised by your posts.
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Everyone I know there and from there is far away from having a victim mentality (they're quite accomplished professionally and financially) and they're deeply embarrassed with Trump as their president because of his personality and his style. It seems like a very odd thing to do to ask people not to hold their president responsible for what's going on there.

I agree he is not responsible for everything and for all the country's past problems, but he has quite a contribution in the general current mess. People that I now and are actually living there would be very surprised by your posts.
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Hey! Please play the ball please.
Where did I attack Pancakes personally? I didn't say she is asinine.

Do keep up there at the back. And please don't misrepresent what others post.
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My post was about "Tulsa sees Covid-19 surge"; Tulsa is not the only county in Oklahoma generating new cases.
Prove that Trump's rally was the source. If you've read the article you linked you'll also know that this wasn't the only event.
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These deliberate and quite asinine misinterpretations are another part of the problem.
You should go back and re-read what I wrote and how I phrased it. Maybe it's you who is misinterpreting.

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Where did I attack Pancakes personally? I didn't say she is asinine.

Do keep up there at the back. And please don't misrepresent what others post.

Prove that Trump's rally was the source. If you've read the article you linked you'll also know that this wasn't the only event.
But that does appear to be your m.o. -- to accuse everyone of misinterpreting. When someone replies to you with facts or evidence, you often ignore them. And you're very quick to accuse anyone and everyone here of being wrong and of misinterpreting. In all honestly, you are one of the most aggressive and annoyingly self-righteous characters I have every come across on the English Forum. It's impossible to have a calm, rational conversation with you because you apparently prefer to bark at people and throw around condescending comments.

This is just a suggestion... But perhaps you should spend a little more time looking inward and a bit less time barking at people on the internet so that you can fuel your persistent need to feel self-righteous.
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You should go back and re-read what I wrote and how I phrased it. Maybe it's you who is misinterpreting.



But that does appear to be your m.o. -- to accuse everyone of misinterpreting. When someone replies to you with facts or evidence, you often ignore them. And you're very quick to accuse anyone and everyone here of being wrong and of misinterpreting. In all honestly, you are one of the most aggressive and annoyingly self-righteous characters I have every come across on the English Forum. It's impossible to have a calm, rational conversation with you because you apparently prefer to bark at people and throw around condescending comments.

This is just a suggestion... But perhaps you should spend a little more time looking inward and a bit less time barking at people on the internet so that you can fuel your persistent need to feel self-righteous.
Feel free to demonstrate where I imply "that the Trump rally couldn't have possibly played a role in the rise in the # of cases there". Just FYI there's quite a difference between "one cause of many" and "the only cause".

Nobody forces you to read my posts, or reply to them. And there's always the ignore list.
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Feel free to demonstrate where I imply "that the Trump rally couldn't have possibly played a role in the rise in the # of cases there". Just FYI there's quite a difference between "one cause of many" and "the only cause".
Below are your comments where you had quoted Marton after he had mentioned that "Meanwhile Tulsa sees Covid-19 surge in the wake of Trump's June rally" and then included a link to the article about it. Marton had not said anywhere that he thinks Trump's rally alone is responsible for the rise in cases, but you interpreted it as though he did and then accused him of doing so. Even the article he linked to wasn't saying that Trump's rally could have been the only source, but you misinterpreted it as such by demanding that someone (Marton) prove that Trump's rally was the only source. I responded to that by asking "Why do you seem to imply that the rally couldn't have played a role..." It was a question. I never once said that you did say that. Again, I think it is YOU who is misinterpreting.

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Prove that Trump's rally was the source. If you've read the article you linked you'll also know that this wasn't the only event.


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For the week ending June 18, Oklahoma registered 9,354 new test-positives.
For the week ending July 2nd, Oklahoma registered 14,539 new test-positives.
With 6200 people attending Trump's rally, basically everybody would need to have been infected to account for the jump for this increase alone, nevermind the weeks after.

This is exactly the kind of misrepresentations and lies I had in mind when I wrote #23420.

Thank you for making my case, marton.

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Below are your comments where you had quoted Marton after he had mentioned that "Meanwhile Tulsa sees Covid-19 surge in the wake of Trump's June rally" and then included a link to the article about it. Marton had not said anywhere that he thinks Trump's rally alone is responsible for the rise in cases, but you interpreted it as though he did and then accused him of doing so. Even the article he linked to wasn't saying that Trump's rally could have been the only source, but you misinterpreted it as such by demanding that someone (Marton) prove that Trump's rally was the only source. I responded to that by asking "Why do you seem to imply that the rally couldn't have played a role..." It was a question. I never once said that you did say that. Again, I think it is YOU who is misinterpreting.
The article clearly implies that Trump is at least the main reason. Otherwise the caveat with the other events would have been placed before what is the first sentence, or at least in the same paragraph, many readers won't even read that far.

If you honestly think that's irrelevant, perhaps refer to the Coronavirus thread and Tony Clifton's copy of the Telegraph article. Clearly baboon overlooked the 500k that are assumed to have been saved by the lockdown, that wouldn't have happened had that sentence been placed (much) earlier. Likewise with marton's CNN article, this is (one way) how they spin stuff in a way that fits their narrative.

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When someone replies to you with facts or evidence, you often ignore them.
Better not generalise, I usually reply except to you. I generally avoid self-aggrandizing people, especially when they issue psychological diagnoses without having the slightest clue. That includes your basically calling me a psychopath. Which, btw, makes your blabber on self-righteousness that of a hypocrit.

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The article clearly implies that Trump is at least the main reason. Otherwise the caveat with the other events would have been placed before what is the first sentence, or at least in the same paragraph, many readers won't even read that far.

If you honestly think that's irrelevant, perhaps refer to the Coronavirus thread and Tony Clifton's copy of the Telegraph article. Clearly baboon overlooked the 500k that are assumed to have been saved by the lockdown, that wouldn't have happened had that sentence been placed (much) earlier. Likewise with marton's CNN article, this is (one way) how they spin stuff in a way that fits their narrative.

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Better not generalise, I usually reply except to you. I generally avoid self-aggrandizing people, especially when they issue psychological diagnoses without having the slightest clue. That includes your basically calling me a psychopath. Which, btw, makes your blabber on self-righteousness that of a hypocrit.
I don't remember ever calling you a psychopath. What I do remember is pointing out the fact that the general definition of a psychopath is someone who lacks empathy after you had said that there is no place for emotions in politics or moral decision-making. And by the way, I do research psychopathy for a book that I'm writing (in particular, the role of the nucleus accumbens in psychopathy, which is the part of the brain that controls dopamine).

I am fully aware of the ways the media sensationalizes and stretches the truth in order to suit its own biases as well as those of its readers and viewers. Regarding the article in Marton's link, here are the first few paragraphs (which in truth are more like sentences separated into paragraph form):

"The city of Tulsa is experiencing a surge in coronavirus cases, a little over 2 weeks after President Donald Trump held a campaign rally in an indoor arena there.
Dr. Bruce Dart, Executive Director of the Tulsa Health Department, said in a press conference on Wednesday there are high numbers being reported this week, with nearly 500 new cases in two days and trends are showing that those numbers will increase.
There had been a 20% decline in new Covid-19 cases the week of June 28 through July 4.
The Tulsa Health Department reported 266 new cases on Wednesday, bringing the total number in the county to 4,571. There are 17,894 cases in Oklahoma and 452 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University's tally of cases in the United States.
When asked if the cases in Tulsa are going up due to the rally on June 20, Dart said that there were several large events a little over two weeks ago."

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/08/u...rnd/index.html

Nowhere in the article does it say that the increase in cases of the virus is only due to Trump's rally, but you accused it of doing precisely just that and also accused Martin of doing so as well. The article even quotes the mayor of Tulsa as having said that "the rally, along with the large "serious seven" events -- which the state has identified as weddings, religious events and other large-scale gatherings -- informed an executive order that goes into effect tomorrow requiring events with more than 500 people to receive guidance from the health department to evaluate safety plans."

What I see happening with you is called psychological projection.

Essentially, it's a defense mechanism of the ego, where someone accuses others of doing exactly what they themselves are guilty of. And it's one of the reasons I find it so difficult to have a calm, rational conversation with you. You behave on here as though you are just constantly "looking for a fight" and will take almost anything and everything and try to blow it up into an argument. You are the person who points their finger at the world, accusing anyone and everyone of being wrong while persistently demanding that you are right. You are condescending toward people and say rude things like "well, no shit sherlock" or trying to attack Marton's character, etc. and then when someone throws it back at you, you try to play the victim.

I'm done with this conversation. I have better things to do with my time. I am firmly convinced that arguing with strangers on the internet is the 8th circle of hell.

Take care.
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Trump just tweeted a picture of himself wearing a mask and saying it is patriotic.
"you could blow me down with a feather"!

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"Told you so" seems appropriate

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Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) on Monday spoke out against federal officers “rounding people up at will” in Portland, Ore., saying the handling of unrest there should be left to local law enforcement.
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Trump seems to be losing his ability to get in touch with and exploit the US "pulse" and instead with his COVID and BLM responses is damaging himself.

This "law and order" theme does not seem to get a lot of support; no signs of grateful Portland citizens thanking Trump!

Recently Sen. Rand Paul has been supporting TRump so this push back is both surprising and welcome.

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I'm done with this conversation. I have better things to do with my time. I am firmly convinced that arguing with strangers on the internet is the 8th circle of hell.
I really like the way you put it. So true.




In other news, Trump is a big fan of masks now. What a 180 degree turn...
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Trump in 1958 ...



Con man prophecy, may be a little long though.
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Trump in 1958 ...



Con man prophecy, may be a little long though.
Wow. It's just one parallel after the other...

His name actually is Trump.

He convinces everyone that they need him and something he has by exploiting their gullibility and ignorance and by generating irrational fear in them.

He claims he has the credentials of DU, which stands for "doctor of the universe" (lol)

"Be careful, son. I can sue you" when someone questions or challenges him.

"I am the only one. Trust me. I can build a wall around your homes that nothing will penetrate."

Thank you for sharing that. I had never seen it.
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Con man prophecy, may be a little long though.
"Build that wall" (9:49)? Really?!? If this hasn't been doctored, it's a brilliant prophecy!
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Snopes says it’s the real deal.
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