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It seems to me that you are actively seeking out arguments and controversy and jumping into the middle of it whenever you can, but are taking offence when some of that argumentative passion comes back at you.

If you are going to be dishing it out you also need to be able to take it on the chin.
Funny, I noticed the same things about a few other people too.


I'm not sure telling people in which discussions to engage or not or with which level of passion to react is a way to fix all the online fora's problems though. I'm more in favour of "let's agree to disagree".
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Old 22.07.2020, 13:36
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Apologies for returning to the thread topic.

Trump resumed his COVID task force briefings yesterday although a stretch to say "task force" as there were no public heath experts speaking or even attending.

Usual confusing message like people should wear masks but he won't.

Usual false claims like the Strategic National Stockpile was empty before the coronavirus pandemic and ignoring the fact that he had three years in office to build any depleted stockpiles back up. And he continued his fact free claim that the virus "will disappear". &&&&&

It is good that he is starting to take the pandemic somewhat seriously again but with, sadly, over 1,000 US deaths reported yesterday he really need to take leadership on fixing this.
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Old 22.07.2020, 13:39
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Apologies for returning to the thread topic.

Trump resumed his COVID task force briefings yesterday although a stretch to say "task force" as there were no public heath experts speaking or even attending.

Usual confusing message like people should wear masks but he won't.

Usual false claims like the Strategic National Stockpile was empty before the coronavirus pandemic and ignoring the fact that he had three years in office to build any depleted stockpiles back up. And he continued his fact free claim that the virus "will disappear". &&&&&

It is good that he is starting to take the pandemic somewhat seriously again but with, sadly, over 1,000 US deaths reported yesterday he really need to take leadership on fixing this.
To be fair, it's up to each State governor to issue regulations on what's best for their state.
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Old 22.07.2020, 14:17
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It seems to me that you are actively seeking out arguments and controversy and jumping into the middle of it whenever you can, but are taking offence when some of that argumentative passion comes back at you.

If you are going to be dishing it out you also need to be able to take it on the chin.
I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me. Nor do I have a problem with calm, intelligent, mature and rational debate. What I do have a problem with is when people resort to name-calling, lying and making false accusations against people (e.g. accusing them of saying or doing something they never said or did) or repeatedly targeting someone because they simply do not like that person due to having disagreed with them in the past.

I actually received a message last night from a member here, telling me that they also have been targeted by the same person who has been targeting me and that they've also seen that person doing it to a few other people here, which has caused those people to leave the forum.

Anyways... This is an internet forum, where people comment with their thoughts and opinions. Arguments are therefore "par for the course," I think. But it would be nice if we could all try to do it a bit more calmly, maturely and rationally, without jumping to name-calling, targeting and making irrational accusations for which there is no justifiable evidence, etc.

I came across a really good quote recently, and I think it is so very true and also something that I try to keep in mind for myself:

“I count the need to be right among the major illnesses.”
― Marty Rubin

I don't mind being proven wrong or being wrong, because I do not hold it in my mind that I am always right no matter what, and I realize that I am fundamentally fallible and imperfect. And I try to keep my perceptions and ideologies fluid rather than 'set in stone' because I think that the ability to learn and evolve necessitates that. But when someone accuses me of doing something that I have not done, I will defend myself... Even though the more rational part of my brain knows that some people are just impossible to reason with, because many people perceive the world through the lens of "binary thinking," which is a cognitive distortion.

This is a good article I once found regarding why many people are unwilling to change their minds, which basically comes to down to cognitive dissonance:

Why Many People Stubbornly Refuse to Change Their Minds
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...ge-their-minds
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Old 22.07.2020, 14:17
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To be fair, it's up to each State governor to issue regulations on what's best for their state.
Yes, just like it was up to each Cantonal government to issue regulations on what’s best for their Canton.

But, thank goodness, they realised going it alone was a disaster in the making, and deferring to the Federal government to lead the country.

Debatably not even legal, but it worked and they have their own authority back.
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Pancakes, Just ignore him. I did. And don’t peak.
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Old 22.07.2020, 15:03
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To be fair, it's up to each State governor to issue regulations on what's best for their state.
No, a pandemic requires Federal leadership, even Trump agrees.

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Biden/Obama were a disaster in handling the H1N1 Swine Flu.
Polling at the time showed disastrous approval numbers.
17,000 people died unnecessarily and through incompetence
Did Trump mention Governors? No? I wonder why not?

Here is a federal strategy for managing a pandemic by a real US President.
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The opportunity to read the 21 times you posted here in the last year?
Well, that's not even a reasonable days tally compared to you.
But all this bleating, and still it looks like Trump will get a second term.
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But all this bleating, and still it looks like Trump will get a second term.
I think the jury is still out on that question.

He obviously appreciates his position is precarious, even with his 'base'. And now some of them are blaming him for 'abandoning them' on important issues like face masks.

A lot will depend on who votes, and who doesn't
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Old 22.07.2020, 17:33
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I think the jury is still out on that question.

He obviously appreciates his position is precarious, even with his 'base'. And now some of them are blaming him for 'abandoning them' on important issues like face masks.

A lot will depend on who votes, and who doesn't
It is clear that Trump will lose the popular vote again.

It is far too soon to forecast the Electoral College vote.

Trump seems able to survive new scandals that would have destroyed other candidates, if something new surfaces then it is more likely it would will hurt Biden.
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Old 22.07.2020, 17:33
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But all this bleating, and still it looks like Trump will get a second term.

He'll have no chance against Kanye West
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A lot will depend on who votes, and who doesn't
Exactly this. And who gets to vote and whose vote is suppressed.
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Exactly this. And who gets to vote and whose vote is suppressed.

And who gets the votes is not important?
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And who gets the votes is not important?
Apparently not, it is the Electoral Collage that will decide.
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Old 22.07.2020, 19:57
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I think the jury is still out on that question.
Oh, if only it could be decided by a jury!
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Oh, if only it could be decided by a jury!
It took a Supreme Court decision not so very long ago... no jury then, though.
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This is a good article I once found regarding why many people are unwilling to change their minds, which basically comes to down to cognitive dissonance:

Why Many People Stubbornly Refuse to Change Their Minds
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...ge-their-minds
Another ad hominem. But of course you're not the one slinging insults or attacking. Noooo, not you. You act as if you don't even realise that you keep playing the victim card while continuously dishing it out.

I strongly suggest you let it be now, otherwise expect this to turn into a real fight.
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Old 23.07.2020, 00:15
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump extending martial law by more storm troopers being sent--this time to Chicago and Albuquerque.
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"Today, I'm announcing a surge of federal law enforcement into American communities plagued by violent crime.
We'll work every single day to restore public safety, protect our nation's children, and bring violent perpetrators to justice."
Did I ever post you could not make this stuff up?
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Old 23.07.2020, 00:19
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Another ad hominem. But of course you're not the one slinging insults or attacking. Noooo, not you. You act as if you don't even realise that you keep playing the victim card while continuously dishing it out.

I strongly suggest you let it be now, otherwise expect this to turn into a real fight.
You seriously need a Valium... or something.

How is my comment with the link to the psych article about cognitive dissonance and why most people are unwilling to change their minds a fallacy ad hominem? That article -- the reason I posted it -- had nothing to do with anyone here specifically. I posted it in relation to what I had been talking about, with the forum being a place where people assert their opinions, etc. It had absolutely nothing to do with you.

Seriously, please take your bull*** elsewhere. Because it's exhausting to deal with you and to even attempt to have a mature, rational conversation with you.

So yes, I am going to do my best to ignore you from this point forward, but not because I am afraid of a "real fight" with you, as you have just threatened, but because it's becoming increasingly obvious that I'm not dealing with someone who is a rational human being.

Take care.
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I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me. Nor do I have a problem with calm, intelligent, mature and rational debate. What I do have a problem with is when people resort to name-calling, lying and making false accusations against people (e.g. accusing them of saying or doing something they never said or did) or repeatedly targeting someone because they simply do not like that person due to having disagreed with them in the past.

I actually received a message last night from a member here, telling me that they also have been targeted by the same person who has been targeting me and that they've also seen that person doing it to a few other people here, which has caused those people to leave the forum.

Anyways... This is an internet forum, where people comment with their thoughts and opinions. Arguments are therefore "par for the course," I think. But it would be nice if we could all try to do it a bit more calmly, maturely and rationally, without jumping to name-calling, targeting and making irrational accusations for which there is no justifiable evidence, etc.

I came across a really good quote recently, and I think it is so very true and also something that I try to keep in mind for myself:

“I count the need to be right among the major illnesses.”
― Marty Rubin

I don't mind being proven wrong or being wrong, because I do not hold it in my mind that I am always right no matter what, and I realize that I am fundamentally fallible and imperfect. And I try to keep my perceptions and ideologies fluid rather than 'set in stone' because I think that the ability to learn and evolve necessitates that. But when someone accuses me of doing something that I have not done, I will defend myself... Even though the more rational part of my brain knows that some people are just impossible to reason with, because many people perceive the world through the lens of "binary thinking," which is a cognitive distortion.

This is a good article I once found regarding why many people are unwilling to change their minds, which basically comes to down to cognitive dissonance:

Why Many People Stubbornly Refuse to Change Their Minds
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...ge-their-minds

Look , you know , without wishing to call anybody by name , I get a fair number of private messages too from people saying very spiteful things and calling me names . Some of these people have a squeaky clean online record and you probably would never think it of them .

Don’t lose much sleep over it
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