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Old 23.07.2020, 16:53
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No, I'm actually annoyed with how extremely one-sided the media has become. It's all about ratings and appeasing the mentality of their followers. I see and realize how both sides do it. However, I have seen plenty of non-biased articles about Trump on sites like CNN. (For example, when he signs a new bill). They don't only publish articles that are negative about Trump. Also, keep in mind that ANYTHING that is published or said that is negative about Trump is instinctively labeled as "fake news" by him and his followers.
It's not as if the left don't also use that term to dismiss things that don't suit their narrative.

This is why it is important to read both sides. By systematically refusing to read a Fox article, you are refusing to expose yourself to points of view that may help you better understand the other side of the argument.

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Yes, but that progress doesn't mean that racism is no longer a problem. It is still very much alive in the US, and every time I go back to the US to visit, I am reminded of it.

Also, yes, I do remember "that black guy who was president." And I remember the ways the right was constantly criticizing him, non-stop, for eight years because of it. He couldn't even wear a tan suit without people on the right making a big deal out of it. He was constantly being harassed by the right. They even demanded that he supply a copy of his birth certificate after accusing him of not being born in the US and for being a Muslim, etc.
And now the boot is on the other foot and the left is doing the same to Trump. So what goes around comes around.
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It's not as if the left don't also use that term to dismiss things that don't suit their narrative.
I can't remember "fake news" being in remotely common usage until Trump started it.

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And now the boot is on the other foot and the left is doing the same to Trump. So what goes around comes around.
Funny, I don't remember anyone from "the left" accusing Trump of any of the things quoted by Pancakes.
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Old 23.07.2020, 17:19
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

What I'm seeing now is either you vote for Biden or you're a "racist/idiot/former friend."

I've been seeing intelligent people slowly turning into bigots because of Trump. I understand the hate towards Trump but transferring that hate towards others you used to like is counterproductive.
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Probably his most notable contribution.....

Oh, and bringing politics to a new low, which is an accomplishment for our times.
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I understand the hate towards Trump ..
I don't. He's only a politician and not anybody so extraordinary. He will be gone either soon or somewhat soon. Who will the haters blame then? That bugs me more, this swift step to extreme: if you disagree with me then there must be something pathological about you. When people are merely exchanging impersonal ideas and theories. I could easily find that exaggeration pathological, if I cared enough to analyze it or look for magic links.
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Old 23.07.2020, 17:41
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This is why it is important to read both sides.
I would if the volume was equal.

Plus, in reality there aren't just 2 sides.
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Old 23.07.2020, 17:47
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I don't. He's only a politician and not anybody so extraordinary. He will be gone either soon or somewhat soon.
I do understand how so many people are outraged that this horrible person, a bigot, a racist, ignorant, a clown of a "politician", a liar, a complete grandstander with a proven track-record of being a business crook...became the president. Yes, I understand why some Americans hate him, and are embarrassed that everyone around the world associates the name of the country with Donald J. Trump.

I would be embarrassed and ashamed too.
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What I'm seeing now is either you vote for Biden or you're a "racist/idiot/former friend."

I've been seeing intelligent people slowly turning into bigots because of Trump. I understand the hate towards Trump but transferring that hate towards others you used to like is counterproductive.
It's more like a disappointment in people. I have a friend here whose husband de-friended anyone in the Trump camp and not only on social media. I also thought it's absurd but I think the issue goes deeper than that. People follow discussions and are shocked to see their friends revealing opinions and ideas that are simply - in their eyes - outrageous. You or I might think it's exaggerated and no politician deserves so much attention, but imho it's not (only) Trump himself it's everything he brought along - strong polarity and perpetual noise. People hate the "state of affairs" so to speak, especially the more educated ones.
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Old 23.07.2020, 17:53
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I would if the volume was equal.

Plus, in reality there aren't just 2 sides.
Size does not matter!

What is important is the quality of the arguments.

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This is why debate on world leaders is so important.
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This is why debate on world leaders is so important.
Well I think Simonetta is doing an excellent job.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Tom, It appears that I’ve been groaned at 113 times. I’m guessing but I’m thinking you are responsible for over a hundred of those. What gives?

If you don’t like something that I say, why can’t you post a reply rather than hiding under your groan-bed.

Without knowing the reason you are unhappy with my post I have to assume that ... ???

Edited to add. Amazing thing statistics. Apparently you have groaned others over 9,000 times but have only received a thousand or so yourself.
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Old 23.07.2020, 18:37
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You say it's a rule of law, which has to be respected, but it is clearly stated in the US Constitution that people have the right to protest. Why is that not being respected?

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Source: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitu...irst_amendment

It's interesting that people on the right claim that it is their "constitutional right" to own guns, and yet when people exercise their constitutional right to assemble and protest, somehow that right is ignored and negated.

Also, the link you included is an article on Fox News. I have learned to take everything they publish with a HUGE mound of salt. They always skew everything to appear to be in the president's and the GOP's favor due to their bias (they are infamous for doing so), and they have been doing a fine job of trying to equate protestors with looters and rioters -- failing to report or recognize the fact that the majority of protestors are not rioters or looters. They have never reported anything about the many peaceful protests that have been going on, and they've been trying to encourage hatred toward all protestors because of it.

Also, you claim that racism does not exist. I think we've already had this conversation, when I said that when it's not you who is directly experiencing racism as a normal part of your life, then I guess it's easy to deny that racism exists. Just a month or so ago, two white men in their pick up truck shot and killed a black jogger after calling him a "n***er" etc. when the jogger had been doing nothing but jogging and minding his own business. Now tell me again that racism doesn't exist.
Precisely. The keyword is peaceably. Everybody has the right to assemble peaceably. A 2 months long riot is not a peaceful assembly by all means.
The U.S. constitution doesn't need any revision. As far as I'm concerned, it is the greatest document ever published. Most democracies based their constitution on the U.S. constitution, including Switzerland.

Here's some more unbiased documentation of peaceful protests.



Have you actually read the Fox News article I posted? It is absolutely unbiased, including video footage of the mayor getting rushed, etc. If you already start with the notion, that everything they post is biased, then you might as well forget reading any news outlet. What CNN does is absolutely pathetic, shown time and time again how they handle certain topics. I.e. Jussie Smollet, Bubba Wallace. . .

The issue is not individual racism. BLM claims that the police and the system is inherently racist and that black people are dying on a daily basis as a direct result from racism, which is not true and the numbers show the proof.
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Also, you claim that racism does not exist. I think we've already had this conversation, when I said that when it's not you who is directly experiencing racism as a normal part of your life, then I guess it's easy to deny that racism exists. Just a month or so ago, two white men in their pick up truck shot and killed a black jogger after calling him a "n***er" etc. when the jogger had been doing nothing but jogging and minding his own business. Now tell me again that racism doesn't exist.
That jogger by the way, wasn't just "jogging". Video footage shows him repeatedly (different days) entering a house which was under construction. Maybe you ought to follow up some of these news stories before casting judgement on matters.
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Most democracies based their constitution on the U.S. constitution, including Switzerland.
while I agree that the Swiss System is largely based on the US system there are important differences. The administrative branch is the most important difference. And the Swiss have largely ignored the so called ‘amendments’. If it was so perfect why did they need to amend it?

So what other democracy follows Switzerland? Not too many, most use a parliamentary system. Russia perhaps?
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Most democracies based their constitution on the U.S. constitution, including Switzerland.
No they don't. And if you take that time to study constitutional law you'd know how weak the US constitution is in comparison to say the French, the UK, Ireland etc...

When it comes to separation of powers and accountability it is a joke as we see regularly demonstrated to us.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

@lost_inbroad

Posting a video which has quotes by the well known right wing troll Andy Ngo and then claiming it is unbiased is somewhat stretching our credibility, where are the quotes from a left wing troll?

When you described it as "documentation of peaceful protests" I naively expected to see film of people demonstrating in the streets of Portland but that did not happen. Portland Police estimate that 4,000 protestors turn up but this video just shows a couple of hot spots with never more than 30.
Where is the filming of the vast majority?

This also describes the protests as Antifa driven but where is the evidence? According to google the Feds have arrested seven in Portland but none is claimed to be an Antifa member.

Incidentally Antifa has never been accused of killing anyone unlike many white supremacist groups.
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Most democracies based their constitution on the U.S. constitution, including Switzerland.
What do the two have in common nowadays beyond being federations where all power originates from the individual member states/Cantons and a two-chamber parliament? What else has stood the test of time?

The two were simply the only republics in a world of monarchies during the 2nd half of the 19th century, hence sisters (ignoring a few potential outliers like Haiti and Liberia). History has shown multiple times that the US couldn't care less about Switzerland's "sister" status, the most recent example being the forced accepting of FATCA by extortion.

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It's not as if the left don't also use that term to dismiss things that don't suit their narrative.

This is why it is important to read both sides. By systematically refusing to read a Fox article, you are refusing to expose yourself to points of view that may help you better understand the other side of the argument.
I actually do read Fox News articles sometimes. I go there with the intention of seeing what 'the other side' is saying and how certain situations are being portrayed and what they will or will not report. What's *really* frightening is reading through the comments on there, though. I have seen people commenting many times on Fox News articles that all liberals should be shot, etc.

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That jogger by the way, wasn't just "jogging". Video footage shows him repeatedly (different days) entering a house which was under construction. Maybe you ought to follow up some of these news stories before casting judgement on matters.
So... Entering a house while it is under construction makes it okay for two guys in a pickup truck to shoot him to death while calling him a "ni**er?"

I remember going into a house that was under construction in our neighborhood with my friend when we were about 12 years old. Would it have been okay for someone to shoot us afterward because of it?
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Another Trump U turn
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President Trump said Thursday that he would cancel the GOP convention events in Jacksonville, Fla., in August, saying it wasn’t the right time due to the coronavirus.

The convention was initially scheduled to take place in Charlotte but was moved to Jacksonville after the president objected to North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper’s (D) insistence that the event be scaled down.
Sometimes Donny sounds quite normal
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