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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

GOP showing signs of growing a pair as they say in the US
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The Senate overwhelmingly passed its $741 billion defense policy legislation on Thursday, with the Republican-led body defying a threat from President Donald Trump to veto legislation that would force the removal of Confederate names from Army bases.

Senators approved the National Defense Authorization Act in a 86-14 blowout.

Both the House and Senate have passed bills this week with majorities large enough to overcome the threatened veto from Trump.
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I actually do read Fox News articles sometimes. I go there with the intention of seeing what 'the other side' is saying and how certain situations are being portrayed and what they will or will not report. What's *really* frightening is reading through the comments on there, though. I have seen people commenting many times on Fox News articles that all liberals should be shot, etc.
A bit like on EF then?

OK, I think people here would like the "liberals" to just shut up.

I don't know about others, but for me the word liberal has a different meaning and it's not the equivalent of "woke" and goodness knows in which way it is used in other countries. I personally don't identify myself with any of these new age (lol) labels which I find rather stupid. A person who is anti-racism and pro-equal rights (among many other things) is not a "woke" one, I find this term totally ridiculous and derogatory. But each to their own. It's a term people of Anglo-Saxon origins throw at each other and the rest of us would just like to steer clear from their terms.


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Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10] Yellow is the political colour most commonly associated with liberalism.[11][12][13]

Liberalism became a distinct movement in the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among Western philosophers and economists. Liberalism sought to replace the norms of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, the divine right of kings and traditional conservatism with representative democracy and the rule of law. Liberals also ended mercantilist policies, royal monopolies and other barriers to trade, instead promoting free trade and free markets.[14] Philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct tradition, based on the social contract, arguing that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property and governments must not violate these rights.[15] While the British liberal tradition has emphasized expanding democracy, French liberalism has emphasized rejecting authoritarianism and is linked to nation-building.[16]
It's a quote from wiki so don't shoot me for that but I read it before posting it and I think it's all right.

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A bit like on EF then?

OK, I think people here would like the "liberals" to just shut up.

I don't know about others, but for me the word liberal has a different meaning and it's not the equivalent of "woke" and goodness knows in which way it is used in other countries. I personally don't identify myself with any of these new age (lol) labels which I find rather stupid. A person who is anti-racism and pro-equal rights (among many other things) is not a "woke" one, I find this term totally ridiculous and derogatory. But each to their own. It's a term people of Anglo-Saxon origins throw at each other and the rest of us would just like to steer clear from their terms.

It's a quote from wiki so don't shoot me for that but I read it before posting it and I think it's all right.
For me, it is important to look at what is the definition of the opposite of liberal, as people who use "liberal" as an insult are obviously in the opposite group - so from google..

illiberal, adjective; opposed to liberal principles; restricting freedom of thought or behaviour, "illiberal and anti-democratic policies"
Similar: intolerant, narrow-minded, unenlightened

Says it all really.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

A small step forward
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A federal judge in Oregon on Thursday night issued a temporary restraining order against the federal agents deployed in Portland, prohibiting them from threatening to arrest, arresting, dispersing or using force against journalists and legal observers who are at the protests.

The lawsuit was filed by the ACLU, and the restraining order acts against the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and U.S. Marshals Service. Portland police were already banned from arresting or attacking journalists and legal observers at the protests.
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It's not as if the left don't also use that term to dismiss things that don't suit their narrative.

This is why it is important to read both sides. By systematically refusing to read a Fox article, you are refusing to expose yourself to points of view that may help you better understand the other side of the argument.
I think this is one of the key differences between the Left and Right of modern times. In general the Right does appear far more willing to listen to opposing views, despite not agreeing with them, whereas many on the Left won't even countenance differing opinion. I believe it's one of the main reasons that they never seem to win anything at the ballot box!
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The man who owns the construction site that Ahmaud Arbery entered is dismantling his killers’ defense — and getting death threats for it.

In US news and current events today, the owner of the house Ahmaud Arbery entered wants nothing to do with the alleged killers’ defense. The two men who allegedly shot and killed Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia say they thought he was the culprit of a recent string of robberies in the area. Surveillance footage of the site appears to show Ahmaud Arbery entering, looking around briefly, and leaving without taking anything.

Now Larry English, the owner of the construction site, has received death threats since Gregory and Travis McMichael were arrested and charged with murder in the Ahmaud Arbery case.
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I think this is one of the key differences between the Left and Right of modern times. In general the Right does appear far more willing to listen to opposing views, despite not agreeing with them, whereas many on the Left won't even countenance differing opinion. I believe it's one of the main reasons that they never seem to win anything at the ballot box!
You could also claim that the Right are unable to stay on the topic of a thread?
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Meanwhile Quinnipiac released a poll showing Biden leading Trump 51% to 38% in Florida. In 2016 Trump beat Hillary by 1.2% in Florida.

Voters say 79 - 20 percent that people in the state should be required to wear face masks in public, seventy percent consider the spread of the coronavirus in Florida "out of control."

Worldometers show US yesterday with 69,000 new cases and 1,150 deaths, Florida a new daily death record of 173.

Trump was elected as a disruptor and an agent of change, but not as a leader, motivator, creator consequently he is failing badly to get the virus under control.

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In general the Right does appear far more willing to listen to opposing views, despite not agreeing with them, whereas many on the Left won't even countenance differing opinion. I believe it's one of the main reasons that they never seem to win anything at the ballot box!
In general those who brag about being "the right"* appear to belong to the extreme end of that side of the political spectrum.

There are many versions of what could be called "right" and most of them gravitate towards centrum. As with religion, the more extreme ones are trying hard to confiscate the spirit of some political and social ideologies and shame anyone who doesn't subscribe to all of their views. Of course, that could be also said about far-left. For reference see the horseshoe theory.

*it's a distinction people from certain countries use to make - obsessively.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

To be fair, I would blame Florida’s state government as much as Trump regarding the high percentage of deaths.
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To be fair, I would blame Florida’s state government as much as Trump regarding the high percentage of deaths.
More from the Quinnipiac poll I mentioned
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CORONAVIRUS RESPONSE

Voters give Governor DeSantis a negative job approval for his handling of the response to the coronavirus, as 38 percent approve, while 57 percent disapprove. In April, 50 percent approved, while 41 percent disapproved.

Voters give President Trump a negative job approval for his handling of the response to the coronavirus; 37 percent approve, while 59 percent disapprove. In April, 46 percent approved, while 51 percent disapproved.
DeSantis always followed Trump's lead.

Remarks by President Trump in Meeting with Governor DeSantis of Florida
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We talked about many things, including he’s going to be opening up large portions and, ultimately, pretty quickly, because he’s got great numbers — all of Florida
Florida did not have great numbers and its citizens are now paying the price.

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“Gov. DeSantis of Florida is doing a terrific job. He just announced that the schools will be open in the fall,” the president said at a White House press conference. “We are very much going to put pressure on governors and everyone else to open the schools.”
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A person who is anti-racism and pro-equal rights (among many other things) is not a "woke" one, I find this term totally ridiculous and derogatory. But each to their own.
A lot of the people who describe themselves as 'anti-racist' are actually just anti-white, this is probably why many people ridicule them and don't take them seriously.
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A lot of the people who describe themselves as 'anti-racist' are actually just anti-white, this is probably why many people ridicule them and don't take them seriously.
You mean many people on EF or many people in general? Don't forget we're discussing lots of topics totally ignoring the fact that EF is like a (internet) bubble.

As for declaring oneself as being anti-racism, ordinary people only bring it up in certain contexts. The more prominent figures (political or otherwise) usually make these sort of statements when necessary or as part of their political campaigns.

I can't understand why would you or anyone else think white people could be anti-white people, but maybe you can offer more explanations? Or did you refer to people of colour being anti-white ? I find that implausible too but who knows, cannot tell so maybe you can expand a little your views.
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I would just LOVE if everyone was able to differentiate between "left" and "liberal" (they are just NOT interchangeable terms or synonyms), as well as differentiate between "right" and "conservative" (which also aren't synonyms). They are correlated, sure, but not causally.

Most of the things polarizing many Western societies (particularly the US since Trump took office) today are related to change in societal matters such as LGBTQ rights, freedom of speech, weapons ownership, historical revisionism, gender roles, etc, which aren't bound by the role of government.

This distinction would greatly help keep the discussion on-topic.
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I can't understand why would you or anyone else think white people could be anti-white people, but maybe you can offer more explanations? Or did you refer to people of colour being anti-white ? I find that implausible too but who knows, cannot tell so maybe you can expand a little your views.


Some Democrats are bothered nominee is an older white man – and they solidly back Biden in November


How Can I Cure My White Guilt?

Im honestly glad you don't understand, because it's mostly a bunch of nonsense. Self-hate, self-victimization mentality. I'm even a victim myself - having to live with the shame of history because I was born white! And people of color are in turn victims of me because they have to share space in society with another privileged white male. So many conflicting emotions! /s

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I would just LOVE if everyone was able to differentiate between "left" and "liberal" (they are just NOT interchangeable terms or synonyms), as well as differentiate between "right" and "conservative" (which also aren't synonyms). They are correlated, sure, but not causally.

Most of the things polarizing many Western societies (particularly the US since Trump took office) today are related to change in societal matters such as LGBTQ rights, freedom of speech, weapons ownership, historical revisionism, gender roles, etc, which aren't bound by the role of government.

This distinction would greatly help keep the discussion on-topic.
This. Totally.

We're trying to have this conversation with some people here with no results.
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I am anti-some white people. Particularly racists. I am anti-some coloured people. Particularly racists.
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I'm so ashamed of being white, I've started to black up before going out.
That seems to have backfired on me also for some reason.
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How Can I Cure My White Guilt?

Im honestly glad you don't understand, because it's mostly a bunch of nonsense. Self-hate, self-victimization mentality. I'm even a victim myself - having to live with the shame of history because I was born white! And people of color are in turn victims of me because they have to share space in society with another privileged white male. So many conflicting emotions! /s
Lol.

Particularities of the American politics. I don't pretend to understand everything people over there are going through, in Europe these issues have different nuances and are discussed in different terms.

But for the love of God, liberal is not what some people here think it is.
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while I agree that the Swiss System is largely based on the US system there are important differences. The administrative branch is the most important difference. And the Swiss have largely ignored the so called ‘amendments’. If it was so perfect why did they need to amend it?
No, the Swiss constitution has never been amended.

Never.
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Incidentally Antifa has never been accused of killing anyone unlike many white supremacist groups.
No, because their victims die of accidental heart failure the moment some antifa guy drives a knife into them?
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