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No, the Swiss constitution has never been amended.

Never.
Well, not since 9 February 2020.

But I don't understand your point. Someone else was saying the US constitution was wonderful. I was questioning why it had been amended so many times.
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Well, not since 9 February 2020.
Every referendum vote is effectively a constitutional amendement.

Switzerland probably has one of the most fluid constitutions of any country.
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I'm so ashamed of being white, I've started to black up before going out.
That seems to have backfired on me also for some reason.
Gee, maybe you should start to man up!


(it's also a joke)
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I think this is one of the key differences between the Left and Right of modern times. In general the Right does appear far more willing to listen to opposing views, despite not agreeing with them, whereas many on the Left won't even countenance differing opinion. I believe it's one of the main reasons that they never seem to win anything at the ballot box!
Well - calling opponents on their perceived (!) pathologies or undisputably more sophisticated terms like "baskets of deplorables" will not gain much traction, politically. It is not very inviting nor constructive, tbh.

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In general those who brag about being "the right"* appear to belong to the extreme end of that side of the political spectrum.
So why take them as a representative samples of all people who dare to oppose the left? We don't take all the looters as a representative sample of all the left or left-ish. It seems to me that mistaking looters for liberals, which seems to be quite common, is in fact excusing, facilitating and enabling looting. Mistaking all that oppose the left for extreme right or calling them alt-right or pathological, is in fact exaggeration, enabling this dumb polarisation, in an equally unconstructive way. You mention "alt-right" in your post very frequently and negatively - do you mean those who oppose the "wrongthink" and "cancel culture"? If majority of people are in the center - let's avoid labelling people completely and just debate ideas and concepts - I see that constructive. Not focusing on the people constantly or making judgment on EFers which you frequently do as well. Since we seem to lose a lot of the energy trying to redefine the poles and definitions, add disclaimers and precipitated apologies..it gets fatiguing.

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Some Democrats are bothered nominee is an older white man – and they solidly back Biden in November


How Can I Cure My White Guilt?

Im honestly glad you don't understand, because it's mostly a bunch of nonsense. Self-hate, self-victimization mentality. I'm even a victim myself - having to live with the shame of history because I was born white! And people of color are in turn victims of me because they have to share space in society with another privileged white male. So many conflicting emotions! /s
Not sure why it has to be so emotionally charged when people debate on the state of a society. We all have some access to make it what it is. Maybe I am a naieve optimist. But relying on emotions when people also need drive and stamina in order to make a long lasting impact or effectuate change might not be the best. Maybe I am naieve but I think majority of people I know have their emotions and empathy in check. I see a lot of confusion and demands on empathy replacing rationality as if they were in opposition. They aren't. Calling somebody unempathetic to somebody's individual and subjective needs is quite....offensive. It actually translates into calling them an emotionally cripled, incompetent, insufficient or cruel person. I don't know any of these extremes, tbh. Sometimes the emotional whirlpool is being used to dampen a rational debate as if they had to be in opposition, and they aren't. It is a shame. We need both.
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So why take them as a representative samples of all people who dare to oppose the left? We don't take all the looters as a representative sample of all the left or left-ish. It seems to me that mistaking looters for liberals, which seems to be quite common, is in fact excusing, facilitating and enabling looting. Mistaking all that oppose the left for extreme right or calling them alt-right or pathological, is in fact exaggeration, enabling this dumb polarisation, in an equally unconstructive way. You mention "alt-right" in your post very frequently and negatively - do you mean those who oppose the "wrongthink" and "cancel culture"? If majority of people are in the center - let's avoid labelling people completely and just debate ideas and concepts - I see that constructive. Not focusing on the people constantly or making judgment on EFers which you frequently do as well. Since we seem to lose a lot of the energy trying to redefine the poles and definitions, add disclaimers and precipitated apologies..it gets fatiguing.
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So now you find an opportunity to over-analyse what I assume you remember as being some of my past posts? You can write whatever you like, sure, I just don't think this thing has much to do with me.
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So now you find an opportunity to over-analyse what I assume you remember as being some of my past posts?
You mean think about what people post? Notice stuff? Isn't it the risk one takes that by posting? It is called interpreting what one reads and making an opinion for oneself. It is not a bad thing.

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You mean think about what people post? Notice stuff? Isn't it the risk one takes that by posting? It is called interpreting what one reads and making an opinion for oneself. It is not a bad thing.



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Don't we all have this prerogative?
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Don't we all have this prerogative?
Of course - that was my point. You call it an over-analysis, I call it thinking and having an opinion. It is not bad.

Back to the left/the right poles...It seems to me that the polarity isn't so extreme. (Useless) emotional charge, yes. But the polarity isn't as terrible as the media want it to be: people in fact imho don't wish their opponents to see eye to eye on issues. They don't want accord or agreement of any sorts because they know with it there is no progress. I think they wish for better opposition. That's all. People don't vote Trump because of him, I think. But because they want Dems to improve. They wish better opposition and toning down the emotional charge to get away from reflexes towards reflection. That's the only reason I personally do not thjnk Trump would be an enemy to the US. I hope it will improve the opposition...and vice versa. So, polarity - not so much. Emotional charge - is extreme. That needs to get looked into. What is gonna make a US move from media addiction, consumerism, looking for sensations and cheap/quick emotions. It goes back to individuals and their inner happines with themselves and their life so they'd quit outsourcing and compensating. Sorry for the shortcut. I got a tough audition in a min, gotta hear the notes.
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Of course - that was my point. You call it an over-analysis, I call it thinking and having an opinion. It is not bad.
But the topic of the thread is Trump, or American politics, or something along the line (who knows anymore). It would be nice if we could stay on topic from time to time and not bring up more past misunderstandings or disagreements between various posters.
We kinda of just had a recent episode here and I don't see how this discussion could be constructive for the topic.
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Sometimes I just see a bunch of words and wonder what they're really supposed to mean.
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But the topic of the thread is Trump, or American politics, or something along the line (who knows anymore). It would be nice if we could stay on topic from time to time and not bring up more past misunderstandings or disagreements between various posters.
We kinda of just had a recent episode here and I don't see how this discussion could be constructive for the topic.
Back on topic: Fake News

Yahoo has just removed its comment section as it was tired of so many readers calling out their B.S and lies. Cant have that now can we?

The war mongering psycho Donald Trump is being prevented from bringing troops home home, you know, the opposite of sending them to war. So, actually, its the deomocrats who are the war mongerers: FACT.

THE U.S. MILITARY HAS BEEN fighting in Afghanistan for almost nineteen years. House Democrats, working in tandem with key pro-war GOP lawmakers such as Rep. Liz Cheney, are ensuring that continues.

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/02/...n-and-germany/


My biggest issue is war, not catering to emotionally insecure angry mob millenials and their preffered pronouns. War, not feelings. And so far Donald Trump is the most Anti-War president we've had since Bill Clinton. FACT.
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No, because their victims die of accidental heart failure the moment some antifa guy drives a knife into them?
No doubt you have examples?

If not, no worries, just simply return to your trolling.

Article on this topic topic here from a not unbiased source.
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My biggest issue is war, not catering to emotionally insecure angry mob millenials and their preffered pronouns. War, not feelings. And so far Donald Trump is the most Anti-War president we've had since Bill Clinton. FACT.
If Trump is re-elected, I worry about a civil war starting within the United States.
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THE U.S. MILITARY HAS BEEN fighting in Afghanistan for almost nineteen years. House Democrats, working in tandem with key pro-war GOP lawmakers such as Rep. Liz Cheney, are ensuring that continues.

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/02/...n-and-germany/

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Yeah, and all these years for what? Signing an agreement with the Taliban.
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But the topic of the thread is Trump, or American politics, or something along the line (who knows anymore). It would be nice if we could stay on topic..
Exactly. I will say it again - that trying to argue a political point by putting down those here who in your mind support certain political opposition to you..is doing a diss-service to the debate:

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We're trying to have this conversation with some people here with no results.
See what I quoted?

Marton - not everybody who disagrees with your posts is a troll.

Let's get back to Trump. Let's not get back to what people assume is a "Trump follower".
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If Trump is re-elected, I worry about a civil war starting within the United States.
I doubt it. But nominating harmless soft Biden might have been a way of the opposition to quieten things down a bit. He will not achieve much but will not peeve anyone off, either.
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If Trump is re-elected, I worry about a civil war starting within the United States.
And who would start said civil war? Exactly. You dont even need to answer.
So do we pander to them, or stand up to them?

Get up, stand up
Stand up for your rights.
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I doubt it. But nominating harmless soft Biden might have been a way of the opposition to quieten things down a bit. He will not achieve much but will not peeve anyone off, either.
The problem is that very often these types don't get the message and start doing things as if they really were in charge....

Just ask the Irish TDs (=MPs in the UK) who thought that Jack Lynch would be an easy caretaker PM - he terminated most of them that were ministers and some even ended up in jail! Even the current Pope on election was expected to be quiet, conservative little man... boy where they wrong!
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And who would start said civil war? Exactly. You dont even need to answer.
So do we pander to them, or stand up to them?

Get up, stand up
Stand up for your rights.
Well if they don't start a civil war, can they at least then get shot of that right to carry arms nonsense....
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People don't vote Trump because of him, I think. But because they want Dems to improve. They wish better opposition and toning down the emotional charge to get away from reflexes towards reflection.
In theory.

In practice we have seen the opposite. The tone and quality of arguments coming from the left has come crashing down since Trump came to power. It seems he is bringing out the worst and most primitive in those who oppose him.

Obama being in power, he did much the same to the right. Which is what enabled Trump to make such an effortless and clean sweep of the primaries in 2016.

Polarized candidates do not unfortunately lead to a smarter opposition. Pushing parties into survival mode is not favourable to the development of nuanced positions that are willing to recognize that certain things your opponent says or does may actually be right.
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